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10-05-2005 09:17 AM

can I fold please?
 
I'm still trying to learn the art of folding and get it wrong a lot - do you think I did the right thing here?

hero on button with AA
3 limpers call, hero raises, blinds and limpers call. (12SB's)
Flop: Qh 9s 2h
SB bets, BB calls, MP raises, MP1 calls, hero calls?, BB folds, SB calls. (10.5 BB's)

Turn: 8c SB bets, MP raises, MP1 reraises, hero folds...

did I do ok? looks like 2 pair, set or straight to me.

I'll probably get flamed for not raising the flop, but my logic is this: raising will do little to protect my hand since I am in late pos. The flop is looking a little bit too co-ordinated for my liking, so I'd like to wait to see hopefully a safe turn card before raising when I'll also be able to extract maximum value.

crunchy1 10-05-2005 09:31 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
Not raising the flop here is fine on this board against multiple opponents. I fold any one-pair holding when it's 3-bets cold to me on the turn.

NH.

brettbrettr 10-05-2005 09:36 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
Raise the flop, yo.

brettbrettr 10-05-2005 09:39 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
Hmm...Lets chat.

10-05-2005 09:42 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
I think not raising the flop is a mistake, particularly if you have the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. This raise is for value. It may even protect you hand if the SB reraises.

edit: oh wait, there's a bet and a raise. Er, I'd still 3-bet it. SB could have a draw and the raiser may only have top pair. Pump it, especially if you have the ace of hearts.

Petteri 10-05-2005 09:54 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
Against typical players you must 3-bet flop. Calling is bad mistake and can lead into difficulties like here. Board contains draws and you have to find out were you stand.

Also turn decision is easier if you have shown aggression on flop. If you do not 3-bet flop you virtually ask other players to bet you out. After you showed aggression on flop you can fold if you face too much heat.

BigEndian 10-05-2005 09:57 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
I'll post a comment on the hand when my eyes stop bleeding.

- Jim

10-05-2005 09:58 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
I'd fold the turn too, for what it's worth. Folds don't come much easier really. Unless you have three complete maniacs to you right!

Fat Nicky 10-05-2005 10:18 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
I would probably 3-bet the flop, but I don't think waiting for a safe turn is so bad. This is probably something I need to start doing more.

Calling 3-cold on the turn with one pair doesn't seem like a good idea, ever.

10-05-2005 10:50 AM

Re: can I fold please?
 
3-bet the flop. Turn will play better. If there's still a bet and a raise before it gets to you on the turn, you can think about folding (though consider you have decent counterfeiting outs against two pair.)


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