When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

New table, no reads.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls.

River: (8.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

i'd check/call, that's an awful situation though.

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

CR the flop. He won't believe you. I'd check/call the river. He'll bet a PP or busted Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] enough.

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

LOL, Oh man that blows haha.

Reminds me when SSH says "you pretty sure he now has a full house beating your flush but no read in more than 90% so you must call" [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Or something close to that... Dam i could pull chicks with my Small Stakes Hold'em Quotes im sure [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

I'd actually consider betting. Why are we so convinced that we're toast to villain's K? Villain made two virtually automatic bets on the flop and turn, and then slows up at the first sign of hero's aggression. A lot of players would re-raise with a strong K here, and the only K in most players' 3-betting range is a strong K.

I think we're ahead most of the time here, but how often do we expect a call? Obviously if we're beaten, we lose 2 BBs, and if we don't get called, we win 0, and if we're ahead and get called, we win 1 BB. So it all hinges on the probabilities . . . is a 75% chance we're ahead and a 75% chance we get called too generous? Because that would be +EV. I suppose the river bet is marginal.

At the very least, let me say that there is absolutely no question that I'm check/calling this river, if I'm not betting. The decision between the two would be based on reads.

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

check/call, bitch &amp; moan

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

I like bet/folding a lot more than check/calling. I'm very surprised so many people are recommending check/calling [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

He's virtually never raising unless you're beat, but you may be able to extract a bet from him calling with AA, QQ, JJ, TT.

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

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I like bet/folding a lot more than check/calling. I'm very surprised so many people are recommending check/calling [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

He's virtually never raising unless you're beat, but you may be able to extract a bet from him calling with AA, QQ, JJ, TT.

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I agree with you.

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

Without reads there is no reason to try to be cute. Just bet the flop. If re-raised, then opponent probably has a K or better and you should go for c/r on turn.

Re: When a flush runs into a double paired river oop (3/6)
 

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I like bet/folding a lot more than check/calling. I'm very surprised so many people are recommending check/calling [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

He's virtually never raising unless you're beat, but you may be able to extract a bet from him calling with AA, QQ, JJ, TT.

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But, what if he has AA?

He may bet when we check with AA, But he may fold if we bet.

So if he has AA, we bet he folds.(Neutral)
We check he bets/Checks. (Win 1BB)

If he had King, We bet he raises/calls (We lose 1BB)
We check he bets we call (we lose 1BB)

I'm sure i've missed something though lol.

isnt it best to C/C? for the bluffing chance ? Super marginal?