QJo 20-40
 

good live game. this hand was interesting.

two weak players limped, i limped next with QhJs, blinds called. 5 of us.

flop is J44 w/ two clubs. blinds checked, utg old man bets, utg+1 raises, i consider folding but 3 bet instead, blinds fold, others call and they are starting to kind of groan like "oh brother what is happening here". old man hesitates big time before calling.

the turn is 6h. checked to me, i bet, they both call. 3 of us still.

the river is the Ac. checked to me and i bet.

comments?

Re: QJo 20-40
 

The big question is the river bet. I doubt a flush would check that river because they should know you don't have an A (unless it's A4). So the remaining question is whether one of them has AJ/KJ. AJ is unlikely unless "weak" in your description of these guys implies passive. And KJ is just one hand out of a number they could have.

So I think your river bet is fine. I hope the old man called with his JT/J9.

Re: QJo 20-40
 

The likelihood of chopping makes the river bet -EV IMO.

Re: QJo 20-40
 

If you're going to limp in preflop then you must figure QJ plays ok vs the range of hand these guys have. Given this the flop 3-bet makes sense.

But with two callers on the turn I would adjust that range and check the river.

Re: QJo 20-40
 

"So the remaining question is whether one of them has AJ/KJ. AJ is unlikely unless "weak" in your description of these guys implies passive. And KJ is just one hand out of a number they could have."

by weak i do mean passive. but not weak tight as that would imply they play tight which would be a lie. they were fairly reasonable preflop though.

anyway i do have to fear AJ, but im tied now with KJ on a J44-6-A board.

Re: QJo 20-40
 

"The likelihood of chopping makes the river bet -EV IMO."

it was precisely because i sensed i might be chopping with one or both players that led me to bet the river...

Re: QJo 20-40
 

KJ or JT or J9.

You tie all of them now.

What you don't tie is trip 4's and there is no need to think they have one of those, but at the same time, you don't beat a flush.

This is a real thin value bet (if it is one) and I don't see what hands can call you that you are going to beat. But this value bet may... a tiny percentage of the time make the person with a Jack in his hand lay down... and if he does lay down then there is a huge percentage that he'll go on tilt.

I don't know what I'm talking about.

Re: QJo 20-40
 

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"The likelihood of chopping makes the river bet -EV IMO."

it was precisely because i sensed i might be chopping with one or both players that led me to bet the river...

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I think it's a good bet because of this.

Re: QJo 20-40
 

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So I think your river bet is fine. I hope the old man called with his JT/J9.

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I'd rather he fold those hands.

Re: QJo 20-40
 

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So I think your river bet is fine. I hope the old man called with his JT/J9.

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I'd rather he fold those hands.

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