Can I get away?
 

BB is loosie goosie. BN is 16/5 multi-tabling nit. But still....can I possibly get away here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($568)
TWP ($1247.75)
CO ($0)
Button ($885)
SB ($394.52)
BB ($6507.04)

Preflop: TWP is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">TWP raises to $40</font>, Button calls $40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($125) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Bb checks, TWP bets $120, BN raises to $300, BB folds, TWP raises all in...

Re: Can I get away?
 

Wrong forum I guess. But w/out some more detailed post-flop reads, I would say no. His relatively small raise is worrying though.

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Nah, I'm saving my first MHNL post for a better hand. Although I think this one can be interesting for discussion, since it is only 90bb stacks and one street of action I thought it would be more appropriate here. Also, I'm fighting against the people who post 2/4 hands in MHNL because they are too cool for SSNL.

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Your pre-flop raise disguises your flush nicely. Isn't this the flop you wanted when you made the raise?

Of course your pre-flop raise is marginal (I'm being kind out of respect. I'm sure it was to enhance your table image as a bluffing, gamblin' fool [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ), but afterwards I think your push is correct. Button is calling you here with a set, A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or worse.

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Your pre-flop raise disguises your flush nicely. Isn't this the flop you wanted when you made the raise?

Of course your pre-flop raise is marginal (I'm being kind out of respect. I'm sure it was to enhance your table image as a bluffing, gamblin' fool [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ), but afterwards I think your push is correct. Button is calling you here with a set, A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or worse.

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The preflop raise is perfectly fine. Nit.

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Oh yeah, I was completely card dead and was running at around 12/5 over 100+ hands. So my raises were getting TONS of respect. Which is why I made this raise preflop.

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Nit.

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Busted. I need to purge these moments when I feel an ultra-tightness urge coming on. Thanks.

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Oh yeah, I was completely card dead and was running at around 12/5 over 100+ hands. So my raises were getting TONS of respect. Which is why I made this raise preflop.

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I hope that was the reason and you weren't becoming a nit cause you were playing 5/10.

But this looks good to me. With your current image you stand a good chance to pick up the pot on most flops. Button may read you as weak/tight and even though he is nittish himself probably has PT + PA/GT+ and sees you as the same. He will probably raise with a decent amount of hands here. Your OOP and don't want to let a lone club catch up so stick it in. Hopefully the nit doesn't have 2 clubs this time. If he does hope he doesn't have 9T and spike that 7 on his ass.

PS, I predict the title is a ruse and you take this one down or at least get the money in with him drawing to hit his club.

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Oh yeah, I was completely card dead and was running at around 12/5 over 100+ hands. So my raises were getting TONS of respect. Which is why I made this raise preflop.

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Which is why you can consider a fold here.

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I like it, but I admittedly do not play above 50NL.

A push here gives the villain about 2.25:1 odds if he calls his last $540. That's enough to make it wrong for the lone A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to call, but he may not believe you have the made flush. It's not enough to make it correct for him to fold a set or even top two pair if he knows you have the flush, yet he may fold these hands. I think the combination of your fold equity and possiblity of getting a call from a worse hand make this a good move given that you've already invested $160 in this hand. If he calls with two higher clubs, you've still got the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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Waiting for results...

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If he calls with two higher clubs, you've still got the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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Waiting for results...

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not if villain holds 9cTc [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Oh yeah, I was completely card dead and was running at around 12/5 over 100+ hands. So my raises were getting TONS of respect. Which is why I made this raise preflop.

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That makes sense. I thought you might have been using your Sir-Bluffs-Alot persona.

Re: Can I get away?
 

I think it's probably impossible to get away here....no way to think that he flopped a flush at the same time you did...of course this IS partypoker. Hope it worked out for you.

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Do you ever call the flop raise and lead a non-club turn?

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Heck no, that 7 of clubs will look mighty fine eh!?

Seriously though, I don't see too many "multi-tabling nits" calling pfr with too many suited hands that aren't worth a re-raise preflop. I think you'll see 66,88 most of the time and JJ a good portion of the other time. I think you'd know best if AQs/AKs are in his hand range here.

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AKs is definitely in his hand range. AQs maybe yes, maybe no.

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PS, I predict the title is a ruse

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and you take this one down or at least get the money in with him drawing to hit his club.

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No.

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Not with these stacks. What if he has a set? I might fold the best hand on a club turn. And he is a regular multi-tabler. I want him to know that when I 3-bet all-in the made flush is in my hand range. When we have deeper stacks, I want him to consider folding a set when I have black aces and take the same line.

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Not with these stacks. What if he has a set? I might fold the best hand on a club turn. And he is a regular multi-tabler. I want him to know that when I 3-bet all-in the made flush is in my hand range. When we have deeper stacks, I want him to consider folding a set when I have black aces and take the same line.

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But its so cool when the board pairs the turn and you get him to make a good laydown with his better flush....

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Not with these stacks. Wait until you see the actual results. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Not with these stacks. Wait until you see the actual results. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Eh, I don't really have a problem with the way you played it and would probably play it the same way the vast majority of the time; I just think fastplaying every flop that looks good isn't always the way to go (as it seems it would be based on 99.99% of the posts on this board).

Clearly he has TPTK, both red, and is going to hit two big clubs (i.e. not the deuce, trey, or seven) for a split.

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Clearly he has BPWK, both red, and is going to hit two big clubs (i.e. not the deuce, trey, or seven) for a split.

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Close enough

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Close enough

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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Close enough

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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See I hadn't realized that by nit you meant insane.

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Close enough

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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Close enough

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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See I hadn't realized that by nit you meant insane.

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I was as shocked as you are. I gave his real numbers and my real read.

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PS, I predict the title is a ruse

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Yes.
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and you take this one down or at least get the money in with him drawing to hit his club.

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No.

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Well pretty f'ing close anyway [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. You got it in good.

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Close enough

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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Me pissed? No way; I'm like TA without the poker skill. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Me pissed? No way; I'm like TA without the poker skill. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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If you've got that part down, you're well on your way.

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BN is 16/5 multi-tabling nit. But still....can I possibly get away here?


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No.

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Close enough

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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Obviously, and they're never going to give you credit for the made flush when you fastplay your hand, they'll instantly put you on red aces or A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Folding too much in these games is a recipe for disaster.

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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I thought that only happened at the NL25 table. Oh well. Nice hand.

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I hope you're not pissed. Anyways, he called with 56[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and the turn was 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the river was K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the split. Sorry if this thread wasted your time. But I honestly think fast playing this flop is the right way to go with these stacks. Turn can bring too many cards to kill your action/hand. And there is less than a PSB left, so....

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I thought that only happened at the NL25 table. Oh well. Nice hand.

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Thanks. That's why i didnt post in MHNL. I thought this only happened at NL25 also.

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Interesting hand. Thx for posting TWP.

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Interesting hand. Thx for posting TWP.

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Thanks. Sorry the results sucked so bad. I thought the flop was a little interesting, though.