How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

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I 8 table everything, sometimes 12. Only one that didn't work out (obviously) was the 1/2 6max game... the fuckers.

I think my vpip needs to improve up to 17 on the full ring game. I don't know what to think about my BB and SB stats really... also, should I steal more?

I think the 2/4 stats are the most accurate regarding my game, since i've only recently started playing that level. Looks okay there, right now, I think. Wish I had a 2bb winrate, but, *shrugs* not there yet.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

You're paying way too much in rake, fish. You need to get your game together. Fish.

Just kidding. It looks fine (although I use PO, so I can't interpret some of the stats). You're one tight-aggressive bastard, aren't you? Good job!

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Congratulations, you are probably beating 1/2.

Now, if you want to get good at poker, stop trying to make your vpip and your steal % and any other random stat fit some arbitrary mold of what you think those stats should be, and start learning the goddamn game.

Will

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Haha, well, actualy, I got rake back for much of that, 30% actualy, untill this wretched party split... But oh well.

What stats don't you understand?

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Hah, well, thanks for the constructive criticism bro.

Although, I won't accept the notion that statistics are unimportant in poker - I think that they are extremely important. Playing good poker means playing statistically correct in whatever situation you find yourself in... It's all about math, probabilities, etc. If i'm folding too often, I want to know... so that I CAN improve my game more and more.

It's true that having specific numbers alone don't mean much, you have to seriously understand the game as well as have good instincts... but stats can certainly lead you into the right direction, when THINKING about your game.

Anyways, I could beat the hell out of 5/10 now, if I had the BankRoll for it... I just wouldn't be beating it as well as I would like to, and - by that, I mean, I wouldn't be making as much money as I should.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

it's ok to limp in on occasion.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

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Although, I won't accept the notion that statistics are unimportant in poker - I think that they are extremely important. Playing good poker means playing statistically correct in whatever situation you find yourself in... It's all about math, probabilities, etc. If i'm folding too often, I want to know... so that I CAN improve my game more and more.

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#1 - Based on your sample sizes and your comments above - you're putting too much emphasis on your stats. I'm not saying that stats aren't relevant - they are. But they are certainly not the most important aspect.

#2 - If you think that simply knowing that how often you fold is more important than when or why you are folding (or raising, or calling, or stealing, etc...) you are unquestionably proceeding down the wrong path to learning how to play better poker.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Play "good" poker, and your "good" stats will come with it.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Also...

If you want to get better at poker - stop playing so many tables. The profitability is nice - but spreading your concentration that thin isn't going to help in improving your game.

Second - play more hands! Although, I can understand that your low VP$IP and low steal rate, combined with a high PFR% and probably high AF (although you didn't show it), is likely a direct result of playing a very defined style of poker as a result of playing so many tables at once.

I think you should post your aggression. I also think you should post your VP$IP by position (where I'd predict that the margin between your Button VP$IP and your UTG VP$IP is probably pretty small).

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

As I said before, looking at the statistics are only ways of helping you look in the right direction. I'm also studying over all of hands that i've played, and trying to figure out places I should have folded, shouldn't have folded, etc. It's not just trying to make the stats look good, i'm workin myself pretty hard trying to make my game as good as I can possibly get it.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Well I do think yah may underestimate my ability to play pretty good poker, even with 8 tables at once [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]... although, when I am trying new things, and thinking, I cut it down to 4.

My Total Agg Factor is 3.0

Position Stats...
vpip
Button: 20.61
UTG: 16.18

If you need the rest lemme know. Now, I really do understand your point from before about playing fewer tables to learn... however, I also think playing multiple tables taught me a lot about the importance of tight aggressive play. I started out MUCH tighter than i'm showing right now, in fact my vpip was 12% in my first 60,000 hands. This is a new poker database that I started after I began trying to improve my game.. and these stats are the next result.

There has been real improvement from the first time, and I also know that my game is MUCH better... but still not where i'd like it to be. Anyways, thanks for the comments bro. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Well...your sample size is a bit small, so take this with a grain of salt

Another thing I saw is you Won$atSD% is a bit low and your WenttoSD% is a bit high. You're showing losers a bit too much. Sometimes, your opponent does have what he is representing. Make a note of who those players are.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

The few things that jumped out at me.

VPIP is a bit low. Maybe look for a few new opportunities to limp in late (but don't overdo it). Also...

ASB is low. Steal more often. Also, don't be afraid to isolate weak limpers with marginal hands like KTo in late position.

Defend your BB more.

I think your WTSD is significantly too high. Fold more.

You can only make basic observations on stat posts. Hope these helped.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Your 6max stats will never improve until you rauise your VPIP. Actually you're running hot on .50/1. Im sorry to be so blunt but this is critically low. Your postflop skills must be quite good to have kept you from doing worse shorthanded.

The whole overall stats thing only becomes really relevant after 50-100K hands. But, one thing smaller stat sizes can do is tell us if we are running hot or making the most basic plays to keep us afloat. In which case in 6max you are not. 19-20 VPIP in 6max is WAY too low. There isnt much room for arguement in this and I will post this in HUSH to prove my point to the Tighties. You will get killed in anything over .50/1 over the long run. Ive got about 30K hands on .50/1 and 1/2 6max and my VPIP is in the high 20's. This is average, and Ive sustained 3.5BB/100 in both.

You have to play more hands preflop and develop your table selection game to find out what tupes of tables you can play marginal hands with less than perfect position. You have to be able to be comfortable making those VERY marginal plays.

Your full game stats look awesome though...good job. (you tight-aggressive bastard!) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Hey thanks for the post, I completely agree with your analysis on short hand play... you're absolutely correct. I definitley need to play more hands preflop...

The original reason I went to the short handed tables was to get better at playing more hands in marginal situations, I decided I would waste up to $100 learning how to play it and then go back to the full ring tables with what I learned. It was a great learning experience... I plan on going back to SH games once I have more money to invest, because those are the tables that I believe the real money is at...

Although I lost at SH, I learned a lot more about poker and how it works and was able to apply a lot of what I learned there to the full ring tables, where i'm still playing a bit too tight (but much better than the previous 12% I had prior to SH) especially since i'm 8 tabling.

Thanks for the constructive reply, man.

Re: How Am I Doin Gentlemen?
 

Yah know, this is an interesting thing... i've been trying my damndest to improve that vpip, as well as my blind play. I swear i'm stealing loads more than usual... sometimes i'll steal with ANY hand if the blinds are really tight. Ah, well, i'm still trying to figure it out... you guys are really confirming my suspicions about my play and where I figured I needed to improve by analyzing the stats.