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vipon 10-12-2005 11:36 AM

Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
I cant figure out what im ahead of on this turn, not sure if the line is to call one and fold to a raise/3bet. Preflop raiser is 30/18. To be honest i doubt im even ahead on this flop. One of the biggest 3/6 pots ive seen though, pretty interesting.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (32 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Final Pot: 40 BB

mannika 10-12-2005 11:41 AM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
Although you are technically folding for a single bet on the turn here, it is EXTREMELY likely that the pot will be raised at least once before it gets back to you. On the flop, 4 different players put in bets/raises, and the only likely holdings for these players which you might beat are lower aces (quite unlikely), or straight-draws. Regardless, you can't expect all of your opponents to be on these hands, and are almost certainly behind here. Therefore, I don't think you can afford to get yourself trapped into calling down with an inferior hand here.

Good fold.

jba 10-12-2005 01:34 PM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
CO's flop line is terrifying. you almost certainly don't have the best hand, and you have no real draws, and it is very likely that CO raises the turn behind you. I like the fold, right where you made it.

I'm not sure I like that flop line out of position. I think I may have donked into the PFR on that flop -- especially if he is aggro postflop (which 30/18 I would assume he is), but I'm not sure about that line either. I'd like to hear what others think about the flop.

10-12-2005 02:55 PM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
The Co seems to either have trips or a flush made on the turn, right?

wackjob 10-12-2005 03:16 PM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
Easy fold I think. I would have 3-bet PF too.

tansoku 10-12-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
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Easy fold I think. I would have 3-bet PF too.

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I was thinking the same thing. For value, and to see if MP caps it.
Anyone find a fold on the flop when it's 2 back to you?
It's not clear we have that many clean outs that don't lead to redraws and such..
Without a flush draw I don't see top pair doing that well with 5 people and at least 2 of them that like their hands.

10-12-2005 04:04 PM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
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I may have donked into the PFR on that flop -- especially if he is aggro postflop (which 30/18 I would assume he is)

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I also would have bet into the PFR on this flop but am unsure as well.

Lozing

Drontier 10-12-2005 04:25 PM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
i think u have to call just cuz of your 2 backdoors

jba 10-12-2005 04:32 PM

Re: Folding for 1 bet in a MONSTER pot? (40bb final)
 
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i think u have to call just cuz of your 2 backdoors

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yeah, if everyone calls which seems likely you are getting 30-2.

(re: calling the flop cap)


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