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12-26-2005 02:47 AM

QQ...ugh?
 
Sorry about the number of hands. If one of the moderators wants to hold one of them back, I understand. I'm just off to work shortly and won't have access to my PT.

Villian's first hand at the table.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Give me a different line. Please.

shant 12-26-2005 02:49 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
Kwaz,

Having not bet the turn you have to bet the river when checked to.

Sincerely,
Shant

Vote4Pedro 12-26-2005 02:49 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
Bet turn?

12-26-2005 02:52 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
Bet the turn, bet the river.

Wizard0965 12-26-2005 02:56 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
Bet the turn, bet the river so long as it isn't a heart

SoftcoreRevolt 12-26-2005 05:01 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
Yes, bet the turn, the King makes me feel that my hand was best on the flop, the heart is worrying, but not so much so that you should not bet.

12-26-2005 05:29 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

shant 12-26-2005 05:41 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
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So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

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The turn is a bet/fold, but I'm not so sure about the river. If someone took that line against me and was new to the table, I would like to see what they played so strangely and call. This is probably wrong, but it would be such a weird line that I'd be curious. Usually it's the nuts from the turn, but I still call.

Jake (The Snake) 12-26-2005 06:35 AM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
Really? I think I would rather call a turn c/r than a river c/r in this spot. The king is a decent scare card and if BB has something like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X he might think it's a good semibluff spot.

River c/r's are almost never bluffs.

And yeah, letting a heart see the river for free is no good methinks. Bet the turn.

AlmightyJay 12-26-2005 12:22 PM

Re: QQ...ugh?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Sorry about the number of hands. If one of the moderators wants to hold one of them back, I understand. I'm just off to work shortly and won't have access to my PT.

Villian's first hand at the table.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Give me a different line. Please.

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Bet the turn. The second K is actually GOOD for your hand - it decreases the chance that he has one. Plus, you don't want to give a free card to a single [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].


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