Pocket 77
 

Would you bet the flop?

What to do on the river UI if one person comes with me? I favour c/c, but could you justify c/f?

Cryptologic 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4.00 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.00 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 3.00 BB.
Results in white below:<font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero doesn't show.
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Re: Pocket 77
 

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Would you bet the flop?

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No.


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What to do on the river UI if one person comes with me? I favour c/c, but could you justify c/f?

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I'd c/f. Do you really think your hand is best if you are called on the turn?

Re: Pocket 77
 

I think c/c is the worst of our river options. The pot is wayyyy too small to justify calling. Bet/fold is favorable to c/c for a few reasons:
1) We're preventing them from bluffing
2) We might make a better hand fold
3) If they call, we lose. If they raise, we fold, knowing we're beat.

So we get the same information, plus the chance to buy the pot or make them fold a better hand, by b/f.

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wouldnt bet the flop

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All that doesn't mean b/f is the best option, though. With one opponent, we'd be getting 4 to 1. So we need to be good 1 in 5 times for it to be successful. That's only 20%. Any kind of weak-tight will fold that often, as will most TAGs. So a bet would be good against them. Calling stations and habitual bluff-raisers won't, so don't bet against them.

All of that only applies to 1 opponent, though. With more than 1 opponent, in this small pot, a c/f is pretty easy.

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Either c/f or b/f. c/c is horrid

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Either c/f or b/c. c/c is horrid

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I think a b/c is pretty horrid. Other than a bluff, what raises on the river that we beat? We're an underpair to the board.

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Agreed; I meant b/f. My mistake ;o

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I think Bet/fold is a sillier option then c/c personally.

If they just call the turn bet then they will probably just call the river bet. Where as a check might enduce a bluff enough times to make it worth a call. I don't advocate the c/c line either. I see it as C/f &gt;&gt; c/c &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; B/f

Re: Pocket 77
 

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I think Bet/fold is a sillier option then c/c personally.

If they just call the turn bet then they will probably just call the river bet. Where as a check might enduce a bluff enough times to make it worth a call. I don't advocate the c/c line either. I see it as C/f &gt;&gt; c/c &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; B/f

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A call here would be atrocious with our hand and the pot size. At this limit, a villain line of call-&gt;fold is far more likely than call-&gt;bluff.

This whole situation is still very read dependent, which is why I harped on it in my earlier post.

Re: Pocket 77
 

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This whole situation is still very read dependent, which is why I harped on it in my earlier post.

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agreed. I just think bet/fold is wasting as bet against anyone who will call that turn. If a better but not nut hand is calling that turn then they're calling that river too.

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This whole situation is still very read dependent, which is why I harped on it in my earlier post.

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agreed. I just think bet/fold is wasting as bet against anyone who will call that turn. If a better but not nut hand is calling that turn then they're calling that river too.

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I'm glad somebody mentioned this. You're getting called to much and getting put in the same [censored] spot on the river when you B/F.

Re: Pocket 77
 

If you're going to check and are planning on calling, you might as well bet out anyway. You increase your chances of winning the pot, and if he raises you, you know that you're beat, either way you invest one bet. With betting, you increase your winning chances.

Re: Pocket 77
 

Grunch...

Reads?

I realize most of the crypto tables are rather tight, but it still helps in this situation. I think you played it fine though.

I have a question though. What were your plans if you got raised on the turn?

Re: Pocket 77
 

I was planning on c/f to more than one opponent. I'd probably b/f one LATE calling opponent, putting him on something worse than an earlier caller who had to fear others coming with him. I'd probably c/f again to an early position caller.

As you said, the Crypto tables appear very tight. No reads except table is the usual 15-18VPIP on average from what I can tell after 2 orbits. No donk plays so far.

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check/fold the turn, its a small pot that you have little chance of taking down

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I think the size of the pot is exactly the reason why this bet is profitable at a very tight table. People are folding Q's and 8's here to me at the very least.