Hand I played terribly
 

UTG is completely unknown. MP2 is 13/10/2.7.

(10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, 1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 raises</font>, 5 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets</font>, MP2 raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (11.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

Re: Hand I played terribly
 

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Hand I played terribly

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Spot on!

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UTG is completely unknown. MP2 is 13/10/2.7.

(10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, 1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 raises</font>, 5 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets</font>, MP2 raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (11.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

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I'm raising 88 in MP1 preflop at a table of unknowns. You'll likely cut down the field, and 88 has decent value 3-way.

The way you played:

Flop: I would seriously consider a 3-bet. It's unlikely that you are drawing to a split pot, and it seems as if UTG is along for the ride.

Turn: Fine

River: Fold. UTG suddenly comes alive when the board pairs on the turn, and MP2's turn call indicates at least an overpair.

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I also think you can 3-bet the flop and fold the river safely.

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I'm raising 88 in MP1 preflop at a table of unknowns. You'll likely cut down the field, and 88 has decent value 3-way.

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There were two posters behind me. I much prefer calling in this situation because I'm likely to end up four or five way and not acting last.

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River: Fold. UTG suddenly comes alive when the board pairs on the turn, and MP2's turn call indicates at least an overpair.

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So how about some hand ranges for each opponent?

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Should the flop be played as if hero only has an OESD draw? By that I mean not betting into the raiser and causing him to raise out potential "customers" if you hit the straight? Or is it better to bet hoping he will raise to increase the chances of your UI overpair holding up and dodging possible overcard bullets? Of course, if he has an overpair a flop check/call is better. Which play has more equity? And can you prove it?

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I also think you can 3-bet the flop and fold the river safely.

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I think folding this river is a bad play.

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I'm raising 88 in MP1 preflop at a table of unknowns. You'll likely cut down the field, and 88 has decent value 3-way.

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There were two posters behind me. I much prefer calling in this situation because I'm likely to end up four or five way and not acting last.

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I see. That line is probably OK, though I raise it up anyway.

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River: Fold. UTG suddenly comes alive when the board pairs on the turn, and MP2's turn call indicates at least an overpair.

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So how about some hand ranges for each opponent?

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Without a read, I don't see that UTG would lead twice with anything that you beat, period. Also, consider that MP2 raised preflop. Unless he had the other 88 or is weakly chasing overcards, then he is not on a draw and probably has you beat.

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I'm putting UTG on a flush draw or a 5 once he donkbets the turn. Then again that hand range may be much too narrow. MP2 either has overcards or a mid PP as his stats imply he'll fastplay a made hand. So folding the river is may be a bad play.

As for where you played the hand badly I can only think of the flop then.

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I'm putting UTG on a flush draw or a 5 once he donkbets the turn. Then again that hand range may be much too narrow. MP2 either has overcards or a mid PP as his stats imply he'll fastplay a made hand. So folding the river is may be a bad play.

As for where you played the hand badly I can only think of the flop then.

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The river is what I was getting at.

As soon as I pressed the call button I realized my mistake. I think this is a pretty clear raise. UTG can have a ton of hands, including a lot of pair+ straight draw combos. The fact that he limped UTG and he's unknown leads me to believe he sucks, even though it's not necessarily the case. On the river there's 12 bets in the pot when it gets to me, and I think I'm ahead of UTG a very good amount of the time. However, the way MP2 played it, I think he's got a pair better than mine a decent amount of the time, and he'll most likely fold it if I raise.

I haven't done the math on it, but my guess is that this is a clear raise.