When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??
 

From last night's Pacific Trout Tourney...
At what point should I have really 'gotten it'... that I was beat??? Should I have raised much bigger at flop?? Wiped me out... blaaa.
Thanks for any input [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t1680)
Hero (t1580)
Button (t1350)
SB (t1360)
BB (t1530)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (t50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t40</font>, BB calls t40.

Turn: (t130) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t190</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t320</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t1470</font>, Hero calls t1150.

River: (t3070) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3070


Hero has Jd Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
BB has 3d 3s (full house, threes full of eights).
Outcome: BB wins t3070. </font>

Re: When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??
 

Never.

Re: When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??
 

I go broke here. I'm not crazy about the minraise three bet if you are gonna call a push though. I would think the only reason to minraise there was to not get pot commited. Anyways, like I said I go broke here.

Re: When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??
 

Am I the only one who prefers both raising and folding to calling preflop?

Re: When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??
 

Siren - the only way I could get away from this hand is if I had a really good read on villain, the kind of read that cannot be developed from playing somebody once or twice...

Re: When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??
 

Top 2 vs. Bottom set is always brutal. Who was your villian? Against Toro, for example, I just call the turn checkraise and call his river lead.

Re: When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??
 

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Top 2 vs. Bottom set is always brutal. Who was your villian? Against Toro, for example, I just call the turn checkraise and call his river lead.

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Thanks Durron... it was Patrico - and he's usually pretty good at mixing up his strategy I think... so was hard for me to read. (Thanx for the insight on Toro... for another time!)

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it was Patrico

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There is no way I could have gotten away from this against Patrico, and that is said with the utmost respect for his game.

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Am I the only one who prefers both raising and folding to calling preflop?

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Nope.

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Top 2 vs. Bottom set is always brutal. Who was your villian? Against Toro, for example, I just call the turn checkraise and call his river lead.

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Thanks Durron... it was Patrico - and he's usually pretty good at mixing up his strategy I think... so was hard for me to read. (Thanx for the insight on Toro... for another time!)

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Actually I would just call Patricio also [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. I'd also just call against cha59, bluefeet, and mark24, and others.

I play it like you did against, well, me... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], LittleStuey, macattack, gumpzilla, others..