Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

This was hand number 12 or so, and villain had been limping most of them. I had played him once earlier postflop, so I had a slight feeling what kind of player he was.

My question is, is it worth trying moves like this at all? And if it is, is this a good spot?

It should be added that the blinds were fairly tight, so I expected to get headsup unless there was a premium hand in the blinds.

NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny: Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, April 11, EDT 2005
Table Table 11469 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Hero ( $1080 )
Seat 3: ( $1275 )
Seat 4: ( $960 )
Seat 5: ( $1155 )
Seat 6: ( $2395 )
Seat 7: MrFISHY ( $715 )
Seat 8: ( $975 )
Seat 9: ( $1445 )
Trny:11209559 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah 8h ]
folds.
folds.
MrFISHY calls [30].
folds.
folds.
Hero raises [100].
folds.
folds.
MrFISHY calls [70].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 8s, Qh ]
MrFISHY checks.
Hero bets [225].
>You have options at Table 11578 Table!.
MrFISHY is all-In [615]
Hero calls [390].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero shows [ Ah, 8h ] two pairs, queens and eights.
MrFISHY shows [censored]
censored wins 1475 chips from the main pot

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

I think its a stupid move, At this point in the tournament you don't even need to be playing A8s let alone raising with it.

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

Well, the question is if this is potentially good enough to compensate for the risk.

I know this is not standard procedure. When is it a good play nonetheless?

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

I don't like the raise at all in this stage of the SNG.

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

Answer to your question is it is never a good play at this point in the tournament.

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

For the sake of discussion:

On what grounds? Just cowardice? The way I see it, I'm a definite favorite to have the better hand preflop. On the flop, he would do the same move with a lot of hands imo.

I can see three pretty clear +ev decisions, against this kind of player. This is exactly the kind of move you make money with in ring-games (isolating the fish) and I'm thinking that it could be employed more in sngs.

Please offer more of a analysis, rather than just no, not good.

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

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This was hand number 12 or so, and villain had been limping most of them. I had played him once earlier postflop, so I had a slight feeling what kind of player he was.

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Well, what kind of player was he? There are many varieties of fish. If he is the type that limps in with a lot, but gives up easily on the flop, then I think your play is OK.

On the flop I would bet less, perhaps 150. I would fold to a check-raise all-in unless the player was very over-aggressive (in which case I may have folded pre-flop).

Paul

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

Why in Gods name would you want to lessen the playing field with a suited weak ace? You have no right to deem anyone a fish.

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

He seemed to be the kind of postflop fish that liked to call a bet and then give up to the second barrel. Somewhat tricky. I think he would have folded on a less bluff-nice flop than QQ8 unless he hit.

Re: Isolating the fish, A8s lvl2 50+5
 

Looks to me like you're the fish here. Just because your play worked out in this specific situation does not mean its good.

Nothing wrong with going after a LAG player, but wait till you have a real hand to do it next time.

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My question is, is it worth trying moves like this at all? And if it is, is this a good spot?

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With A8? No. In this spot? Absolutely not. If he's still around and limping on lvl 5, an isolation play like this becomes more reasonable...