Call 3 way allin with AKo
 

Read on SB is that he has to have a hand to do this. AT minimum could be better.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

SB (t3455)
Hero (t2340)
UTG (t1050)
MP (t2900)
Button (t3755)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1050</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t3455</font>, Hero ????

Re: Call 3 way allin with AKo
 

Sb's Reraise either means he has AK(maybe AQ if hes loose) or some other poket. Any poket your in for a race, and i dont think you want to risk all your chips on a race.

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Sb's Reraise either means he has AK(maybe AQ if hes loose) or some other poket. Any poket your in for a race, and i dont think you want to risk all your chips on a race.

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No it doesn't, UTG has 5xBB and he has a big stack. I'm calling this allin with KJ, A8, any pocket. However this particular SB was tighter than that, but I don't think as tight as you.

Re: Call 3 way allin with AKo
 

durron, I don't like it, but I think this is an easier fold (than my post that is).

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I dump this. Yes SB may have AQ or weaker Ace, but any pair and you're flippin, not to mention if he really happened to wake up with something. Plus if you and UTG share an Ace and SB has a pair that could suck even more. I have to fold this. You have way too many chips to go bust to the one guy who can do it to ya.

yabastid

Re: Call 3 way allin with AKo
 

Fold. Someone called two all-ins, one from a 400 stack and the other from, well, me (on about 800) with AK. The other guy, also had AK, and I had QQ, which held up. Too much chance that some of your outs are no good.

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Fold. Someone called two all-ins, one from a 400 stack and the other from, well, me (on about 800) with AK. The other guy, also had AK, and I had QQ, which held up. Too much chance that some of your outs are no good.

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But the thing is, it's not that big of a deal if I lose the main pot as long as I win the side pot. Then I break even.

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So anyways I remember reading this post by AleoMagus about how 4-5 handed during a race the equity of everybody at the table not involved in hand increases while those involved decrease dramatically. If you call you are taking quite the gamble.

I would fold here.

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So anyways I remember reading this post by AleoMagus about how 4-5 handed during a race the equity of everybody at the table not involved in hand increases while those involved decrease dramatically. If you call you are taking quite the gamble.

I would fold here.

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That is more true when the two players are equal stacked (though it does still apply) but the concern is that:

1) I have a very good hand, and this could be a chance to win a huge pot
2) If I fold I'm still not ITM

Re: Call 3 way allin with AKo
 

As a lurker to most of these kinds of posts I initially agreed with the fold sentiment as it seems the conventional wisdom around here and my recent experiences of going all-in multi way have all ended in disaster -- hey, I'm a donk. But two things here have caught my eye:
First, your read on the SB makes me think that you didn't believe he was that strong at the time. That led me to the second, which was to look back at the preflop action again and wonder why the push from the SB? Is the isolation move to get HU standard no matter what you're holding or is this indicative of a weakness that wants to cap off any bleeding?

Re: Call 3 way allin with AKo
 

Crap. I think I call, but this situation comes up so rarely, you have no idea what to do here.

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I would fold here.

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Durron, I know it's hard, but I think this is a fold. Do you want to gamble in a race? At least one of them has to have pockets, and if not, say you are against AJ and AQ, it's still a coin flip that you win all the chips and still a big risk that you won't win one of the two pots.


cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Ah 738474 53.87 577108 42.10 55172 4.02 0.552
Ac Qd 308189 22.48 1007393 73.49 55172 4.02 0.238
As Jd 268919 19.62 1046663 76.36 55172 4.02 0.210


Let him take it and play later.

Re: Call 3 way allin with AKo
 

Id insta call in a second.

the UTG jam with 5* the BB doesn't need to be a lot.. and knowing this.. the over-jams raising standards likely shrink somewhat.

AK is now getting a pretty large price on his hand, against 2 hands that have no need to be monsters.

I'm guessing equity calcs change in sng's compared to mtts (my background).. so if my thinking is completely messed up..Id be interested to see where its maligned.

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cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Ah 738474 53.87 577108 42.10 55172 4.02 0.552
Ac Qd 308189 22.48 1007393 73.49 55172 4.02 0.238
As Jd 268919 19.62 1046663 76.36 55172 4.02 0.210

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he isnt getting 1:1 on his money though is he? he is getting 2:1 on the UTG's bet.. and 1:1 on the side pot.. given that he would be getting odds-on being a favorite.. i would have thot this would only increase his reason for calling [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Durron, I know it's hard, but I think this is a fold. Do you want to gamble in a race? At least one of them has to have pockets, and if not, say you are against AJ and AQ, it's still a coin flip that you win all the chips and still a big risk that you won't win one of the two pots.


cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Ah 738474 53.87 577108 42.10 55172 4.02 0.552
Ac Qd 308189 22.48 1007393 73.49 55172 4.02 0.238
As Jd 268919 19.62 1046663 76.36 55172 4.02 0.210


Let him take it and play later.

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Omg if my patternmapper told me those were their hands my chips beat theirs into the pot. I have 53% equity in a THREE WAY POT.