if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

c/r, c/c, c/f, THAT'S a [censored] winner.

button is 22.1/9.2/1.78 after 850 full ring hands. i think he knows i'm a LAG.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

I don´t really get your overall plan. I would bet/fold the turn. He could have an underpair, and you don´t want him to be able to win with those hands too. Were you calling most rivers, but figured that the J made JJ and TT beat you?

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

are you folding any non-k non-9 river?

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

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are you folding any non-k non-9 river?

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no

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

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He could have an underpair, and you don´t want him to be able to win with those hands too.

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i want him to try to though, so i checked. i wasn't folding most rivers UI.

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

I guess he was thinking that button might bluff the turn but then check down a worse hand on the river?

Gotta hate that turn. I think I prefer bet/folding turn, and if he just calls then we must be toast anyhow.... Anything he can call a turn bet with must have as beat - fold river.

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

so we're thinking fold a river blank too? wasn't sure about that. he might think i'm an idiot. really.

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

No, it was a question more than a statement, I think u already answered it thanks!

Re: if you thought c/r, c/c, c/c was weak...
 

i guess i'm not really sure what my river plan was, i just decided i was check/folding on this one [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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so we're thinking fold a river blank too? wasn't sure about that. he might think i'm an idiot. really.

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I dunno. This reminds me of the c/c, c/c, c/f line where you are calling because you might have the bet hand, but your opponent would almost never bet the river with a hand that you beat. In this case, even if a blank falls, I have a hard time believing that our villain would bet with a worse hand 1 in 10. There are just too many hands that he could have that beat us. Out of the hands that don´t beat us, he would have had to play them in such an odd way, that it they just don´t seem that likely.

I think I could actually see folding the river even if the jack didn´t come (although the jack makes folding soooo much easier).