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c_strong 11-25-2005 06:50 AM

Middle pair on Ace high flop, then nut flush draw
 
I had only played a few hands on the table so had no reads. I'm not sure of my line on this. Obviously I'm not loving the Ace on the flop but a c-bet is standard here I think? I was planning to check or fold the turn unless my hand improved but I thought I might knock a low Ace off his hand when the third flush card hit, while having outs to the nut flush if called. I didn't put him on a flush as he called an almost pot-sized bet on the flop.

I think I should have bet more on the river. My thinking was that villain would be unlikely to call any reasonably sized bet without a spade, so I just wanted to milk a little bit more from a pair, while tempting a high spade to play back at me. Probably better to 1/2 pot it and see what happened. Comments on all streets welcome.

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (4 handed) converter

Hero ($101.60)
Button ($62.65)
SB ($24.20)
BB ($44.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] .
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, SB folds, BB calls $7.

Turn: ($22) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, BB calls $15.

River: ($52) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, BB calls $10.

Final Pot: $72

Morrek 11-25-2005 06:53 AM

Re: Middle pair on Ace high flop, then nut flush draw
 
Looks good except I might check behind turn because he could be looking for a checkraise with the flush here... As played i bet 25-30 on the river

orange 11-25-2005 07:42 AM

Re: Middle pair on Ace high flop, then nut flush draw
 
check turn, bet more on the river.

4_2_it 11-25-2005 11:09 AM

Re: Middle pair on Ace high flop, then nut flush draw
 
Bet at least $30 on the river. If he's calling $10, he'll call $30.

GrunchCan 11-25-2005 11:29 AM

Re: Middle pair on Ace high flop, then nut flush draw
 
If you were planning to check behind an unimproved river, then I think betting the turn is OK. However, I normally check the turn also.

Given that you have a NFD on the turn, I like the turn bet more than if you didn't. But I like it mostly becasue it is deceptive. That is, if you actually make your flush on the river the opponent will be less inclined to believe it than if you check turn &amp; bet river.

So betting the turn might get you more action on the river drawout. But then you wasted that opportunity by betting small on the river.

c_strong 11-25-2005 01:46 PM

Re: Middle pair on Ace high flop, then nut flush draw
 
Thanks for the replies. He had 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so he really let me out of jail on the turn - checking behind would have been much better, and betting more on the river of course. Kind of surprised he didn't play back at me, but them's the breaks.


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