A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

Nothing really special about this hand, but man it was fun so I’m posting it. We were basically on the bubble. 32 players left, top 27 are paid. At the beginning of this hand, I was in 30th place. At the end of the hand, I was in 16th place.


PokerStars Game #3091655800: Tournament #15015568, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/11/18 - 14:29:23 (ET)
Table '15015568 23' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: padillao (7792 in chips)
Seat 2: GoodGuyDoll (12643 in chips)
Seat 3: VAMAN14 (8791 in chips)
Seat 4: leoslions (6630 in chips)
Seat 5: jcm4ccc (4852 in chips)
Seat 6: winemo (20857 in chips)
Seat 8: jonmontag (7917 in chips)
Seat 9: dapaver (21830 in chips)

leoslions: posts small blind 400
jcm4ccc: posts big blind 800

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jcm4ccc J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
winemo: folds
jonmontag: folds
dapaver: folds
padillao: folds
GoodGuyDoll: raises 1600 to 2400
VAMAN14: folds
leoslions: folds
jcm4ccc: calls 1600

*** FLOP ***
Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
jcm4ccc: bets 2402 and is all-in
GoodGuyDoll: folds

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

horrible fold by villian. horrible call by you. just push it in pre, or fold. great, so it worked. a skilled player would have sent your ass to the cleaners. so good going getting over on a chump

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

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horrible fold by villian. horrible call by you. just push it in pre, or fold. great, so it worked. a skilled player would have sent your ass to the cleaners. so good going getting over on a chump

[/ QUOTE ] so if you were me, you would have folded JTo and been down to 4K chips (less than 3M?)

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

I saw someone fold to a stop-and-go, having to call 70 into a 1200 pot yesterday at the 3+R. Nearly fell of my chair.

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

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just push it in pre, or fold.

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There's no way pushing preflop is better than the line OP took. What advantage does push have over a stop and go??

I could see merits for a fold, but it's debateable.

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

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horrible fold by villian. horrible call by you. just push it in pre, or fold. great, so it worked. a skilled player would have sent your ass to the cleaners. so good going getting over on a chump

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Don't be silly, you cannot push preflop here. Fold or stop and go. If you push, 100% chance villian calls your reraise preflop, and he's almost certain to have you beat.

If you stop and go he might fold a lonely A or low PP on the flop (if he's lame) or a lone K, Q if he's being more reasonable.

He cannot make a mistake if you go all in preflop, he calls with any two cards. With the stop and go, you are giving him a chance to make a mistake by folding the best hand.

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

Stop and go is something that doesnt work very often..You need to have enough chips to give the caller bad odds, in which case usually you would be better off with straight up post-flop play, unless your pretty sure your hand is best now but might not be the best by the river.

I agree, its either fold or pre flop all in.

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

Yes, I would rather push any 2 in an unopened pot, than make a call here.

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

I think the problem here is that Hero didn't have a big enough stack to effectively stop and go. Any reasonable Villain almost has to call at this point. Stop and go works better when you really have some FE and can at least give the Villain bad odds to make a hand if he whiffs on the flop. Here, even with the stop and go, the Villain is still getting 3:1.

Re: A stop-and-go hand that actually worked
 

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I think the problem here is that Hero didn't have a big enough stack to effectively stop and go. Any reasonable Villain almost has to call at this point. Stop and go works better when you really have some FE and can at least give the Villain bad odds to make a hand if he whiffs on the flop. Here, even with the stop and go, the Villain is still getting 3:1.

[/ QUOTE ] did you happen to notice that the villian folded?

1 chip is enough to do a stop-and-go