river value raise?
 

Had one arse of a night and just need to check a few things. villian is 33/6.2/0.58 over ~150, who raises this river and who just calls? oh and before anyone mentions the flop flat call, fgured my hand was fairly solid and bb only just had one more bb after betting the flop, and wanted to get the turn raise in.

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP calls.

River: (16.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>...

Final Pot: 18.20 BB.

Re: river value raise?
 

Looks like A7 or 77. A7 has 6 combos, 77 has one combo. He might even have K7.

The big question is whether to cap if he 3-bets. I think the answer is yes.

I think that question would become even more difficult if the A didn't come on the river. In that case I might just call. Although capping may still be correct.

Re: river value raise?
 

Raise the flop

Re: river value raise?
 

I'd say A7s at 1 combo, 77 at 1 combo, and AJ and AA are 3 combos each, but AJ is fairly unlikely to be played like this so I'd say less than 1 combo for it. AA is fairly likely IMO, what has he got to be scared of when he 3 bets the turn? Only JJ or an even more unlikely 77, so it should be an easy cap even for a passive. I'd just call and expect to see AA.

Re: river value raise?
 

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Raise the flop

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I think this is the perfect time to slowplay.

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Raise the flop

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I think this is the perfect time to slowplay.

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I agree w/ Moose, and I'm confused as to why this hand is even interesting. You must have been having a hella bad session to think that jacks full isn't the best hand by far here.

Re: river value raise?
 

Are you guys missing that AA is a large part of his narrow range here?

Re: river value raise?
 

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Raise the flop

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I think this is the perfect time to slowplay.

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I think this is the perfect time to get 3-bet by an overpair and then get to raise the turn anyway.

Re: river value raise?
 

raise the flop, too

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Raise the flop

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I think this is the perfect time to slowplay.

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I think this is the perfect time to get 3-bet by an overpair and then get to raise the turn anyway.

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If only things went according to plan every single time.