Johnny Damon signs with Yankees
 

According to CBS in Boston. 4 yr deal, $52m.

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Why do the Yanks continue to get older? I think they just hurt themselves as Damon showed some signs of age last year and he isn't all that young anyway. He never had an arm so if he legs break down, the Yanks just got themselves Bernie Williams part II.

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According to CBS in Boston. 4 yr deal, $52m.

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This move will get criticized by a lot of Yankee fans early on. I have a feeling they'll change their tune quickly, though.

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Why do the Yanks continue to get older? I think they just hurt themselves as Damon showed some signs of age last year and he isn't all that young anyway. He never had an arm so if he legs break down, the Yanks just got themselves Bernie Williams part II.

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I dunno, but I'll miss him.

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According to CBS in Boston. 4 yr deal, $52m.

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bye!

now the red sox can trade for jeremy reed!

i was going to make a post about the NYY signing dotel to a good deal, then they go and do this??????

CASHMAN, YOU JUST HAD BERNIE WILLIAMS WEIGH DOWN YOUR TEAM FOR 2 SEASONS NOW YOU SIGN A GUY WHO WAS NEVER AS GOOD AS HIM ON THE SAME DECLINE??????????????????

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God this is horrible, i would have much rather just waited 6 months for Mike Cameron.

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Why do the Yanks continue to get older? I think they just hurt themselves as Damon showed some signs of age last year and he isn't all that young anyway. He never had an arm so if he legs break down, the Yanks just got themselves Bernie Williams part II.

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I dunno, but I'll miss him.

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Sure, i will also. However, the RS cant make mistakes like the yankees can. this signing is a mistake.

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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens. It seems even worse with Damon since he won a World Series with the Sox and the rivalry peaked while he was on the team.

Damon will be 32 (and a half) at the beginning of the 2006 season. He'll be 36 at the end of the contract. By comparison, Bernie Williams was 37 at the end of last season.

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i am perplexed by the NYY. the last few weeks i was CONVINCED that the NYY were going to do a slight rebuild on the fly and deal with being a 85-90 win team the next couple of seasons, then they go out and make one of the worst signings this offseason. i mean really, WTF goes on over there?

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*cries inside*

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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens.

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Didn't the Sox think Clemens was done and wish him sayonara? Also, Boggs got a ring out of the deal, so I don't see how you can fault that.

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This one has Steinbrenner written all over it. He loves stars. He disregards age.

I don't like this move at all. Damon is a great hitter. But he's got no arm and in two years he'll pretty much be Bernie.

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Why do the Yanks continue to get older? I think they just hurt themselves as Damon showed some signs of age last year and he isn't all that young anyway. He never had an arm so if he legs break down, the Yanks just got themselves Bernie Williams part II.

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I dunno, but I'll miss him.

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Sure, i will also. However, the RS cant make mistakes like the yankees can. this signing is a mistake.

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I agree. this reminds me of the pedro/mets deal. will make sense for 2 or 3 years, but not the last. we'll see if it ends up being worth it.

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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens. It seems even worse with Damon since he won a World Series with the Sox and the rivalry peaked while he was on the team.

Damon will be 32 (and a half) at the beginning of the 2006 season. He'll be 36 at the end of the contract. By comparison, Bernie Williams was 37 at the end of last season.

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and johnny was not nearly as good as bernie to begin with (obv talking prime years)

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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens.

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Didn't the Sox think Clemens was done and wish him sayonara? Also, Boggs got a ring out of the deal, so I don't see how you can fault that.

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It doesn't matter. Red Sox players who sign with the Yankees get on the scumbag list.

Bill Parcells is there too.

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Damon gets on my scumbag list along with Boggs and Clemens.

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Didn't the Sox think Clemens was done and wish him sayonara? Also, Boggs got a ring out of the deal, so I don't see how you can fault that.

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It doesn't matter. Red Sox players who sign with the Yankees get on the scumbag list.

Bill Parcells is there too.

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OT, but:
"I resign as HC of the NYJ"

maybe my favorite qoute ever, and it was directed right at Parcells

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It doesn't matter. Red Sox players who sign with the Yankees get on the scumbag list.



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This seems eminently reasonable.

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I think it's a good costume

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you think so? I can't think of any deals w/ an AAV of $19m that have been signed recently. there are now a # of $13-$15m guys, but $19M?

well, lets look at the most recent, paul konerko.

if we use the past 3 seasons to project next seasons production using the baseball prospectus stat BRAR (batting runs above replacement) in a 3/2/1 weighting system (i am hijacking this from a poster on SOSH EricVan) then we get this:

manny:

62 x 3
62 x 2
73 x 1

konerko

48 x 3
40 x 2
4 x 1

manny comes out to project to about 63 RAR and konerko comes out to equal 38. of course some will say that, hey thats not fair konerko had a horrible year in 03, while i will say, yeah manny didnt!

manny cashes in at 3.30 runs per million

konerko cashes in at 2.92 per million spent

lets be very optimistic for konerko and eliminate 2003 (which i dont see a good reason to, but will for humor purposes)

konerko then clocks in at 44.8 expected runs which is 3.44 runs per million, still barely more cost efficient than ramirez.

lets now do abreu

his BRAR

54 x 3
73 x 2
60 x 1

projects to produce about 61 runs above replacement level, which equates to 4.17 runs per million.

you can now easily see why the red sox would do this deal, and philly would laugh at it.

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the post from earlier this month where i was making an attempt to put a value on how much a guy costs per run created.

here is how JD's new deal breaks down:

2003 22 BRAR (22x1)
2004 38 BRAR (38x2)
2005 35 BRAR (35x3)

he could be expected to produce 33.8 BRAR in 2006. at 13m that equates to 2.6 runs per million, which is worse than konerko. now johnny damon plays CF at an average level, so that gives him more value, however by year 3 this deal will be horrific not just bad.

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This deal will help the Yankees in 2006/2007. It wouldn't be too far fetched for Damon to still be productive at the age of 35. I don't think this is a terrible signing for the Yankees. If Damon can continue to produce, which he surely will at the begining of the contract, this contract is on par with the Furcal contract in terms of $/yr. It's a little more risk, but the Yankees can afford to take that risk. So can the Red Sox. Another negative from the Red Sox perspective is, Kenny Lofton just signed with the Dodgers.

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I say dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

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Their other alternatives weren't too juicy, and to get the likes of Torii Hunter may have meant dealing Cano and/or Chacon.

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I don't think this is a terrible signing for the Yankees.

i dont either, when you compare it to the chan ho park signing.

its awful. period. you just cant look and say "well he will be good in 2005 and 2006" you have to look at the money he is getting and what he will produce over the life of the contract. its a [censored] signing, and if it was any other team in baseball who did it the laughing would be hard to stop.

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Their other alternatives weren't too juicy, and to get the likes of Torii Hunter may have meant dealing Cano and/or Chacon.

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jaque jones at 3/16 would have been a much better move.

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I like the deal, we have a pretty big hole in CF and damon can fill it for 1-2 years. He should have a .800+ OPS and he can cover a lot of ground, he obviously won't be an MVP candidate but he will definitely do a good job. He can be our leadoff hitter and provide some good speed on the bases. Honestly, he can bring speed to CF and hold down the fort defensively, and his OPS the last two years has been over 800 and should stay that way. That works very well.

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I like the deal,

no, you like the fact that you get to have a good CF next year.

3rd grade math would tell you the 'deal' is horrible.

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The Yankess overpaid for a over the hill player with star power I am shocked.

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I like the deal, we have a pretty big hole in CF and damon can fill it for 1-2 years. He should have a .800+ OPS and he can cover a lot of ground, he obviously won't be an MVP candidate but he will definitely do a good job. He can be our leadoff hitter and provide some good speed on the bases. Honestly, he can bring speed to CF and hold down the fort defensively, and his OPS the last two years has been over 800 and should stay that way. That works very well.

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His last 3 years have been below .800 OPS on the road.

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I don't think this is that bad for the Yankees. Sure, they overpaid a bit. The Yanks can afford to do that as long as they get production. Damon will probably be good for at least the next 2 years, and may be OKAY the next 2. He certainly is a major upgrade to last year's CFs.

The Red Sox were right not to match the Yankees offer, but the Yanks offense for 06 looks pretty awesome at the moment.

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I like the deal, we have a pretty big hole in CF and damon can fill it for 1-2 years. He should have a .800+ OPS and he can cover a lot of ground, he obviously won't be an MVP candidate but he will definitely do a good job. He can be our leadoff hitter and provide some good speed on the bases. Honestly, he can bring speed to CF and hold down the fort defensively, and his OPS the last two years has been over 800 and should stay that way. That works very well.

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His last 3 years have been below .800 OPS on the road.

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Split stats are overrated.

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I like the deal,

no, you like the fact that you get to have a awesome CF next year.

3rd grade math would tell you the 'deal' is horrible.

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he can hit in a leadoff spot (since jeter is not a true "leadoff hitter") and play defense. that is all the team really needs right now, they dont need him to be as good as Arod or giambi.

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By the way, where will Damon hit in the Yankee lineup?

They'd be dumb to knock Jeter from the leadoff spot. Doesn't seem like he'll be anywhere above 7th in the order, possibly a "second leadoff" man.

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I like the deal,

no, you like the fact that you get to have a awesome CF next year.

3rd grade math would tell you the 'deal' is horrible.

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he can hit in a leadoff spot (since jeter is not a true "leadoff hitter") and play defense. that is all the team really needs right now, they dont need him to be as good as Arod or giambi.

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i am not arguing that damon is valuable, i am saying the 'deal' is bad.

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I like the deal, we have a pretty big hole in CF and damon can fill it for 1-2 years. He should have a .800+ OPS and he can cover a lot of ground, he obviously won't be an MVP candidate but he will definitely do a good job. He can be our leadoff hitter and provide some good speed on the bases. Honestly, he can bring speed to CF and hold down the fort defensively, and his OPS the last two years has been over 800 and should stay that way. That works very well.

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His last 3 years have been below .800 OPS on the road.

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which means his home OPS must be .950 or something, baseball is a game of math and numbers these days, at UCF they teach you about the laws of averages, right?

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They'd be dumb to knock Jeter from the leadoff spot

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i am not arguing that damon is valuable, i am saying the 'deal' is bad.

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i disagree, it is awesome on all levels.

btw i am suprised the sox did not match the yankees offer (maybe a sign of disharmony now that theo is sipping tequila on san diego beaches?) since it was only 5.2 million for multiple years.

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which means his home OPS must be .950 or something,

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Well there you have it. The Yankees signed Damon to beat the Red Sox at Fenway Park.

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which means his home OPS must be .950 or something,

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Well there you have it. The Yankees signed Damon to beat the Red Sox at Fenway Park.

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interesting theory doug. so you are saying that damon will keep his old .900+ OPS at fenway even while he plays there in a different uniform and bounce up to a new .900 + OPS at yankee stadium as well (since it is now "home")? so home/road spilts dont apply because he is basically at home all of the time? interesting.

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which means his home OPS must be .950 or something,

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Well there you have it. The Yankees signed Damon to beat the Red Sox at Fenway Park.

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interesting theory doug. so you are saying that damon will keep his old .900+ OPS at fenway even while he plays there in a different uniform and bounce up to a new .900 + OPS at yankee stadium as well (since it is now "home")? so home/road spilts dont apply because he is basically at home all of the time? interesting.

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As I said, split stats are overrated - but Fenway is a hitter's park. It also suits certain hitters better than others. Wade Boggs owes much of his HOF career to a +.200 OPS split at Fenway. It's possible Damon is one of these guys who excels at Fenway and is just average elsewhere.

It's also possible that the H/R splits are the result of a moderate park effect and random chance.