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theBruiser500 08-18-2004 03:40 PM

call bluff with AK?
 
This opponent is bad, I don't have a read past that. What hands do you put him on?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (4 handed)

Button ($328)
Hero ($914)
BB ($1043)
UTG ($443.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $10, Button calls $10, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls $50.

Flop: ($140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $90</font>, Button calls $90.

Turn: ($320) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($320) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets $178 (All-In)</font>

Wayfare 08-18-2004 03:48 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
I would call simply because you are getting so much from the pot. AQ/KQ/ all pocket pairs are good possibilities.

CollegePlayer 08-18-2004 04:13 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
[ QUOTE ]
This opponent is bad, I don't have a read past that. What hands do you put him on?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (4 handed)

Button ($328)
Hero ($914)
BB ($1043)
UTG ($443.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $10, Button calls $10, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls $50.

Flop: ($140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $90</font>, Button calls $90.

Turn: ($320) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($320) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets $178 (All-In)</font>

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Would he cold-call with AA?

I think this is an easy call, against typical players.

theBruiser500 08-18-2004 04:26 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
i very much doubt he has a high pocket pair, note he limped after another limper

hoc 08-18-2004 05:01 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
i'd like to know how much the guy brought in for. you say the guy is bad, but if the money will put him back to where he started it seems a good place for him to bluff and i would call. if it leaves him still below his buyin then i would fold and wait for a better opp as it is more likely he will carry on playing untill he has his money back. it might also cause him to run the bluff again.

hoc 08-18-2004 05:05 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
the fact it is shorthand also gives you more chance that you will get his stack in the end, which makes the decision more of a coin flip.

Sal Allegra 08-18-2004 05:24 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
If he had a pair, he might have raised, JJ's - AA's, he sucks so he might have A3 or hell K3s, but for 180 dollar bet, just call man.

tewall 08-18-2004 05:58 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
Assuming the 178 were a half-pot bet, which is pretty close, you should call if you think there's better than a 1 in 4 chance of a bluff and fold if less. If you're not sure, look at your watch, and call if the big hand is between 12 and 8.

creedofhubris 08-18-2004 08:00 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Assuming the 178 were a half-pot bet, which is pretty close, you should call if you think there's better than a 1 in 4 chance of a bluff and fold if less. If you're not sure, look at your watch, and call if the big hand is between 12 and 8.

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Good analysis, tewall.

I find it very difficult to put opponent on a hand. It's clearly not a big pair, but a bad player could have a 3, or could have paired either of the other cards.

theBruiser500 08-19-2004 01:56 PM

Re: call bluff with AK?
 
[ QUOTE ]

Assuming the 178 were a half-pot bet, which is pretty close, you should call if you think there's better than a 1 in 4 chance of a bluff and fold if less. If you're not sure, look at your watch, and call if the big hand is between 12 and 8.

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I failed to look at it this way during the game. I have a very big aversion to paying people off (hence I get people telling me I'm weak-tight on here which I guess I am). So I just didn't want to pay off a better hand of his, and I decided there was a chance he had me beat so I folded. Had I looked at it your way, "is there a 1/4 or better chance I had him beat", the right way, I would have called. It just didn't make sense to me the way he played it, so I felt there was a good chance he was bluffing.


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