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toby 12-09-2005 08:37 PM

Flop decision
 
Both villains are mostly passive, SB is loose (~44vpip) and mp2 is about 20vpip.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero...

First call was based on 3 clean outs for a straight, ~1.5 outs for an Ace, and ~1.5 outs for backdoor flush draw.

After it was raised and reraised, the action feels too strong for me to stick around.

(table was pretty loose and passive in general - this explains the open limp with A3s)

ncboiler 12-09-2005 09:01 PM

Re: Flop decision
 
Why do you think your outs to the straight are clean? You are only getting 5.5:1 on this.

Fishlips_Jones 12-09-2005 09:16 PM

Re: Flop decision
 
I usually fold this preflop, but if I play it here I raise.

I fold the flop when it's one to me.

Fishlips

toby 12-10-2005 10:38 AM

Re: Flop decision
 
There are four 5's that complete my straight - 3 of them are clean.

KN0CKAH0MA 12-10-2005 10:46 AM

Re: Flop decision
 
I agree 100% with Mr.Fishlips!!

12-10-2005 11:09 AM

Re: Flop decision
 
fold preflop, fold flop.

You probably have about 3.5 outs to the straight (you have no reason to think that SB / MP2 have a FD &gt; 50% of the time I think)

However you don't have enough outs to call here profitably, the pot is quite small and there isn't much action. I doubt there will be enough to make up at least 3big bets.

After he raises the flop you are getting 4.5:1 and this is a clear fold, it may even be raised again costing you further. Although the action has now increased you are looking to make up 6 big bets or so.

The fold after the 3-bet is in my opinion far easier than the fold after the sb bets out.

True


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