boring huge draw 2/4 HU hand
 

Playing a guy who seems to think he is a HU specialist. He has left the table whenever it gets past three-handed. This is about the third time during this session that we've ended up playing together (at three different tables, I think). Most of the time he has been buying/rebuying for $100 at a time. Early on he took a decent pot from me when I picked a dumb spot to fire several barrels with no pair/no draw (I was tilting). That table filled soon thereafter and he left and many hours passed before we played together again.

He has been playing, IMO, overaggressive, and I've started conceeding a fair number of small pots to him because he is unbluffable. So other than the early tilt hand, I've won basically all of the larger pots we've played. On one hand he called the river with KK (after checking behind on the turn) when the flop had included an ace, and the middle board card paired itself on the river. On another hand he called a river checkraise with TPNK after quite a bit of flop/turn action.

So after going bust at some point he reloaded to a full stack, but lost part of it to me. We get dealt cards, he raises to $10 which means he has two cards, and I reraise to $30 with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I've made this reraise several times so far and he's folded each time. This time he calls. Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet $40 and he calls. Turn is something tiny and irrelevent. I pause a while and examine my options. Pot size is $140 and he has around $260 left. I check. He bets $45 and I raise all-in.

Is this a dumb move against a player that loves to look me up? It's worth noting though that no other pots we've played have been near this size at all.

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Well against most guys your fold equity is good so this play is fine, but against this opponent, I dont like it too much. Id rather take the cheap draw, hit and push. If a flush card comes, I think he pays off with his stack.

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I've started conceeding a fair number of small pots to him because he is unbluffable.

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I check. He bets $45 and I raise all-in.

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I don't like it.

Re: boring huge draw 2/4 HU hand
 

check raise all in on the flop.

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Seems like if he likes to make big calls with likely second best hands (your KK example) you might be better off taking the price he gives you on the turn (which is pretty good) and value betting him big when you hit, including your pair outs.

KoW

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just call the turn- from what you've said youve gotta hit and the odds are right

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You guys don't find it at all important that the other hands where he paid off were things like $40 river bets? On this hand it's $200 more to him to call.

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On another hand he called a river checkraise with TPNK after quite a bit of flop/turn action.

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He bet $20 into a fairly large ($60? $70?) pot and I raised to $60.

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There was not "quite a bit of flop/turn action" in a pot that was $70 on the river, in a $2/$4 game.

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There was no preflop action.

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HU Pot:

Flop: $10
Bet $8, Call.

Turn: $26
Bet: $20, Call.

River: $66.

Am I missing something?

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I think I bet 6 on the flop and he raised to 15, then he bet 20 on the turn. And the pot does not start at 10.

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And the pot does not start at 10.

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Was thinking there was a dead SB in there...

Furthermore, I think that "quite a bit" may be quite a bit of an overstatement in the example provided.

anyway... with the information you've given me about this hand... no, I do not find it to be important.

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Even against a horrible player your turn c/r all-win will have "some" Fold equity... So I personally don't think it's that bad. Against your average person I think it's one of your better options though. Based on how you described the villain I'm inclined to agree calling the turn and pushing the river should you hit is your best alternative.

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bet the full pot on this flop, hand plays differently.

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Then I just push the turn? or?

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yeah, pushing the turn works, it REALLY depends on the card though. (but I'd have trouble not pushing most of them)

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He called with J9o. River was the 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. That table filled up again or something, or maybe he just left, but I ended up playing with him at another table not too long after this, and it seems he was on huge tilt. I rivered a wheel against him (with both hole cards) and bet $35 into a $40 pot and he insta-pushed for $85 or so with eight high. A while later I raised utg (four-handed) with 64s and he min-reraised with 44 and then insta-pushed for $80 on a flop of QQ6. I insta-called. He was not pleased. I don't know what happened at any other tables he was playing, but I imagine that losing this $600+ pot going in with the best hand contributed greatly to his tilt and allowed me to score another $200 from him. Should I include that in my EV of pushing the turn? (I'm only half-joking.)

I still think that my turn push had *some* folding equity, but since this is the first time he had called a preflop reraise I really had no feel for his range of hands after the flop call. This guy may make loose calls but if he has something like ATo I can't imagine him playing a $600 pot. (But I have no idea if ATo is in his hand range at this point, so...) I've played my big hands pretty fast against him so I should have credibility here.

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I prefer a call on the turn, hitting [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and river, and then making use of the fact he's unbluffable.