88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

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So, here's the deal. UTG+1 is really loose (~70 VPIP). He's aggressive preflop, and somewhat passive postflop (wouldn't bet a draw for ex.)

MP1 is a NULL player for 15 hands. (0/0/0)

MP3 is a LPP with a tendency to call WAY too much postflop (like undercards and a BDSD).

I am not going to divulge my thoughts just yet. I would like to see people's analyses first (lotsa n00bs please). Grunch it. (it doesn't matter that it's 2/4...it was playing like 1/2 anyways)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero...?

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

bets/raises... I was thinking Check/Raise, but the other players probably won't bet a flop like this, most of them are passive postflop, and we don't know enough about MP1. All in all, nobody will take the bait so just play it straightfoward.

EDIT - opps! forgot PF. The call is kosher, 1 in 8 to flop a set, and you were getting like 1 in 10.5. Plus even w/o a set, 88 is a nice hand to stand up by itself.
I personally prefer not to raise because middle to high poket pairs are a bit of a problem hand for me

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

Check it. Assuming that the passive players will call anyway (and given the size of the pot, it wouldn't be incorrect for them to call with gutshots), a bet doesn't accomplish very much. Checkraise MP1's bet to knock out UTG if possible.

However, if one of the passive players bets, I would just call. Let me elaborate before I get flamed: If one of the super passive players who is unlikely to semi bluff bets, it probably means a straight. Given that I'm most likely behind, but will be far ahead if the board pairs, my equity isn't particularly sensitive to the number of players in the pot. I'll win if I fill up, and lose if I don't. Thus, I wouldn't mind callers behind me because they'll pay me off if I do infact fill up.

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero...?

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I'm gunna bet here with the intent of re-raising if somebody follows up with a raise. The set is strong and is most likely the best hand. The 3-straight would make me cautious though and I would be prepared to fold if the turn was especially scarry (4 to a straight) and somebody else was betting hard.

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero...?

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I'm gunna bet here with the intent of re-raising if somebody follows up with a raise. The set is strong and is most likely the best hand. The 3-straight would make me cautious though and I would be prepared to fold if the turn was especially scarry (4 to a straight) and somebody else was betting hard.

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You would be very wrond to fold the turn, even if it were the T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. How many outs would you have? How big is the pot likely to be?

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

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The 3-straight would make me cautious though and I would be prepared to fold if the turn was especially scarry (4 to a straight) and somebody else was betting hard.

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They could show me the straight and i still would call. Do you see why? Folding a set on the turn is just about the closest thing to a poker sin unless there is extreme circumstances

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

bet the flop mate. There is a chance that MP1 won't bet overcards on this board (unless it's AKs or the the like) You want to start building a pot. Not that anything remotely legitimate is folding, but *hopefully* you can bet, get raised and then 3-bet.
Betting is also good, because the reads you've given indicate passivity (except MP1 which we know nothing about)

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

They could show me the straight and i still would call.

They could show me the straight and i still would reraise. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

I'll chime in, since I'm not sure of the answer. I'd bet, and hope MP1 raises me, looking to 3bet or cap the flop. I can see the merit in check/raising, however. It will take a hellva lot of action on the turn and river to convince me to fold, and certainly not before the river.

Re: 88...could be boring. Looking for input from n00bs
 

you know that it depends on how many people are still in on the turn :P. If it's 1, i'm calling, if i have the equity edge, of course i'm raising.