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poboy 06-28-2005 10:46 PM

QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
Main villian in this hand is a rock(14/12/9)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter

MP2 ($24.60)
MP3 ($14.80)
CO ($53.10)
Button ($126.55)
Hero ($71.15)
BB ($61.75)
UTG ($13.25)
UTG+1 ($30.90)
MP1 ($56.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB calls $2.50, MP1 folds, Button calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6, Button folds.

Turn: ($21.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($21.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20, Hero pukes because he didn't bet the turn and is lost now.</font>

AllIn3High 06-28-2005 11:07 PM

Re: QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
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Main villian in this hand is a rock(14/12/9)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter

MP2 ($24.60)
MP3 ($14.80)
CO ($53.10)
Button ($126.55)
Hero ($71.15)
BB ($61.75)
UTG ($13.25)
UTG+1 ($30.90)
MP1 ($56.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB calls $2.50, MP1 folds, Button calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6, Button folds.

Turn: ($21.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($21.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20, Hero pukes because he didn't bet the turn and is lost now.</font>

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I'd throw out a $15 bet on the river and fold to a raise (or check to induce a bluff against aggressive opponents).

Since you checked the river you HAVE to call, he could be betting anything here, and i really think you're ahead here alot more often than you're behind.

SydPokerFan 06-28-2005 11:48 PM

Re: QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
What are you talking about-"lost now"? You're probably ahead!

poboy 06-29-2005 12:23 AM

Re: QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
What am I still ahead of that a rock will call a pf raise and flop bet on that board with? I can't see 88 or worse calling the flop. Maybe a stubborn AK/AQ but I doubt it, this guy is tight. Trouble is I can't see him calling pf with anything containing a J other than JJ and that seems unlikely, possibly 99 but I can't be sure. That is why I'm lost....

poboy 06-29-2005 12:26 AM

Re: QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
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I'd throw out a $15 bet on the river and fold to a raise


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I like this line alot better than mine. Do you bet the turn?

AllIn3High 06-29-2005 12:37 AM

Re: QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
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I'd throw out a $15 bet on the river and fold to a raise


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I like this line alot better than mine. Do you bet the turn?

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How many hands do you have on the "rock" a PFA of 9 is quite a lot, I'd expect him to bet almost any hand with value when you check to him on the turn.

In this hand, I'd probably check/call the turn (and still bet the river). No reason to bloat the pot and you would really like to see the river - yes the board is draw heavy but if anyone needs to hit a draw on this board it's you.

SydPokerFan 06-29-2005 02:06 AM

Re: QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
I put him on AK, AQ, QQ, JJ,TT,99,88,77.You have the majority of hands beat. I'm not quite clear from your post - what range do you put him on?

MTBlue 06-29-2005 04:39 AM

Re: QQ hand from SB. Call,fold,raise?
 
The standard line is to check the turn.
I don't know what you're ahead of now so fold. Villain is only playing pocket pairs and maybe ak aq aj. You don't beat anythign that would call your flop bet, so fold. Not hard though I understand the attachment to QQ

poboy 06-29-2005 09:00 PM

RESULTS
 
I just called, I don't like to raise when I can't put vilian on a hand. He flipped over JJ and so began a long night of finding monsters under my bed.

Snag 06-29-2005 09:07 PM

Re: RESULTS
 
This reads like nothing or an absolute monster to me. If you say this guy's a rock - fold your hand, and find a better space to get it in.


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