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brettbrettr 12-04-2005 02:36 AM

KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
This is from a hand I played earlier this evening. Great Borg 10/20 game, it alternates between loose passive and loose aggressive., Most guys get in line post-flop, but pre-flop, if you're in for one you're in for 4.

2 limpers to me in the hijack and I limp with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

The CO (an aggro good but not overly so player waiting for the 20 game) raises, the button (a not so good but somewhat aggro loose but trying to play well player) calls, both blinds call, limpers call, I call.

7 to the flop for 14 sbs: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Both blinds check, utg (nice guy, bad player, very loose, calls down with anything) bets. UTG +1 folds. I raise...

W. Deranged 12-04-2005 02:46 AM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
Well...

You pretty much have to see the turn at least because the pot's so big. And there are a bunch of good things about raising, the foremost being the possibility of cleaning up your K outs.

So, sure. The real fear here is you get three-knocked by the button, but in that case you'd have put in 2 sb anyway and the small expense of the extra SB risked has value.

Basically I like this because you can never really be far wrong throwing in an extra flop bet in a huge pot.

BWebb 12-04-2005 02:59 AM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
From your description of CO, I'm guessing you think he is the type to fold AK here to a raise. The raise is then an effort to clean up some outs. Additionally, you might get a free card out of this is you can clear out the CO and Button. You are probably getting 3-bet by a very good hand, which will also let you know if a K is not going to be an out. Plus, if someone does have a monster they might not 3-bet the flop thinking they can checkraise you on this flush drawless board (IMO, bad players only associate the free card raise with flush draws and not straights.) I'm just rambling here, but I think a lot of good things can come from this raise so I like it.

bakku 12-04-2005 04:20 AM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
i can dig it

Siegmund 12-04-2005 04:40 AM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
Um... am I the only one here who would never have played KTo in the first place? Especially if I expect a big multiway pot is likely?

If you do, and you're committed to calling anyway because of the pot size, yes, it seems like you can gain some useful benefits from raising the flop.

12-04-2005 08:01 AM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
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Um... am I the only one here who would never have played KTo in the first place? Especially if I expect a big multiway pot is likely?

If you do, and you're committed to calling anyway because of the pot size, yes, it seems like you can gain some useful benefits from raising the flop.

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In a good game folding KTo is a mistake here.

thejameser 12-04-2005 10:22 AM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
i like it. not just cleaning up your King outs, even any overcard to your ten that folds is great. you have a reasonable possibility of getting a free card, as you said most of the maniacal play was going on preflop. getting 3 bet would suck, but it is not the end of the world as it may get you HU with CO if he is the one 3 betting(granted OOP sucks, but hey you can't have it all). anyway, i think raising is better than calling if you are continuing(which you are with a gutshot to the nuts in such a big pot).

Redd 12-04-2005 06:12 PM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
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pre-flop, if you're in for one you're in for 4

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Is this why you didn't raise preflop? This looks like a pretty juicy chance to get the button.

brettbrettr 12-04-2005 06:33 PM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
I didn't even think of raising pre-flop, never once. Interesting.

me454555 12-04-2005 07:02 PM

Re: KTo in a big multi-way pot
 
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In a good game folding KTo is a mistake here

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Read the description again, he states that CO is pretty good and aggressive. I'd rather not play KTo behind 2 other limpers and oop against an aggro oppoent. If I was OTB you can make a case for limping but with 2 behind you I think its a pretty clear fold.

Postflop is fine though


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