Top 2 pair against turn cap.
 

Button is TAG from what I've seen. I don't know if the turn was good. Better to call the raise and bet out the river?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Re: Top 2 pair against turn cap.
 

I don't think your line is that bad. He could be raising this turn with a lot of smaller two pairs. Unfortunately that turn card also made the straight and flush possible. Meh, if he's s olid I think I have to give him credit for considering I might already have a higher two pair. I probably end up calling the raise and betting the river, but they're pretty close.

Re: Top 2 pair against turn cap.
 

I hate the turn 3-bet, but that's not my issue with this hand.

Fold the river. We don't beat a TAG here one in twenty times, considering the action. The only had that he might be playing this strong postflop is AK, but that seems unlikely given his PF call of your 3-bet, and it's only worth a chop.

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I hate the turn 3-bet, but that's not my issue with this hand.

Fold the river. We don't beat a TAG here one in twenty times, considering the action. The only had that he might be playing this strong postflop is AK, but that seems unlikely given his PF call of your 3-bet, and it's only worth a chop.

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You are crazy if you think folding this river is even close to correct. I play it the same way. TT is a strong possibility but you will run up against AT and AK often here as well.

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I hate the turn 3-bet, but that's not my issue with this hand.

Fold the river. We don't beat a TAG here one in twenty times, considering the action. The only had that he might be playing this strong postflop is AK, but that seems unlikely given his PF call of your 3-bet, and it's only worth a chop.

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Folding this short handed is a huge mistake.

There is too much money in the pot, and too little that beats your hand.

Also, how do you NOT 3 bet the turn with this hand SH?

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Folding this short handed is a huge mistake.

There is too much money in the pot, and too little that beats your hand.

Also, how do you NOT 3 bet the turn with this hand SH?

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Those are my instincts as well, but when I think of it, I just don't see what we beat when a TAG is capping when the scariest card in the deck. I still call this river every time for sanity, but we're losing it. That's why I don't 3-bet it.

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Those are my instincts as well, but when I think of it, I just don't see what we beat when a TAG is capping when the scariest card in the deck. I still call this river every time for sanity, but we're losing it. That's why I don't 3-bet it.

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The turn raise could have easiliy been a semibluff/free showdown play, the cap tells me I'm probably behind. But the board would have to be much scarier before I lay down top 2 pair for 1 more.

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I hate the turn 3-bet, but that's not my issue with this hand.

Fold the river. We don't beat a TAG here one in twenty times, considering the action. The only had that he might be playing this strong postflop is AK, but that seems unlikely given his PF call of your 3-bet, and it's only worth a chop.

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I ccertainly don't "hate" the turn 3-bet, but I agree that a call on the turn, donk bet river is the better line here. Though someone could convince me that check/call the river is better, depending on our read of the TAG.

Oh yeah, folding the river for 1 BB would be awful here... and I'm the king of fancy river folds!

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Folding this short handed is a huge mistake.

There is too much money in the pot, and too little that beats your hand.

Also, how do you NOT 3 bet the turn with this hand SH?

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Those are my instincts as well, but when I think of it, I just don't see what we beat when a TAG is capping when the scariest card in the deck. I still call this river every time for sanity, but we're losing it. That's why I don't 3-bet it.

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But here's the problem, you don't know if the TAG is going to cap UNLESS you three bet the turn. If its me, I simply check call the river if the turn is capped. I like my hand, but I don't like it enough to see the river for two bets when I can see it for one. But again, you don't KNOW this unless you three bet the turn.

I have seen a whole lot of very interesting hands shown down here even from TAG players. This IS five handed afterall.

Re: Top 2 pair against turn cap.
 

posting blind.

Looks good. You are way ahead of the hands he'll raise the turn with. Likely behind the hands he'll cap with but calling down is still +EV. He'll have AT, A8, T8 often enough to show a profit.

Krishan