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Dave D 08-14-2005 04:23 PM

A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
30+3, 870 entrants, 500ish left

So what's important here is my past 2 hands. My concern is that the pusher on the last hand thinks I'm bluffing now because obviously raising 3 hands in a row means that. Generally this table has folded to my raises, or I've gone HU so people have respected my raises and probably see me as pretty tight.


So the previous hand it folds to me on the button, I raise 3x the BB to 150. I have 2360 before the raise. BB calls and on the flop he checks to me and I 2/3 bet the flop and he folds.
Very next hand this happens.

Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: SeGaMeSu ( $1705 )
Seat 3: dogling ( $2535 )
Seat 5: sdlowe21 ( $1215 )
Seat 8: freddieo ( $2720 )
Seat 9: losealota ( $780 )
Seat 4: Blackjackag ( $290 )
Seat 2: LarryCope1 ( $1995 )
Seat 7: tmase ( $2735 )
Seat 10: mhobbs_bbt ( $1145 )
Seat 6: craylock ( $700 )
Trny:14835104 Level:4
Blinds (25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dogling [ Kd Ks ]
tmase raises [100].
freddieo folds.
losealota calls [100].
mhobbs_bbt folds.
SeGaMeSu folds.
LarryCope1 folds.
dogling raises [400].
Blackjackag folds.
sdlowe21 folds.
craylock folds.
tmase calls [300].
losealota is all-In [680]
dogling raises [1100].
tmase folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Qd, 8c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
dogling shows [ Kd, Ks ] a pair of kings.
losealota shows [ Ad, Kc ] high card ace.
dogling wins 720 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
dogling wins 2035 chips from the main pot with a pair of kings.
Player losealota finished in 464 place
losealota has left the table.



Now, my question is what I should do with this:

Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: SeGaMeSu ( $1705 )
Seat 3: dogling ( $3790 )
Seat 5: sdlowe21 ( $1190 )
Seat 8: freddieo ( $2720 )
Seat 4: Blackjackag ( $290 )
Seat 2: LarryCope1 ( $1995 )
Seat 7: tmase ( $2335 )
Seat 10: mhobbs_bbt ( $1145 )
Seat 6: craylock ( $650 )
Trny:14835104 Level:4
Blinds (25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dogling [ Tc Ts ]
freddieo folds.
mhobbs_bbt folds.
SeGaMeSu calls [50].
LarryCope1 folds.
dogling raises [200].
Blackjackag folds.
sdlowe21 folds.
craylock folds.
tmase: damn
tmase: jj
tmase: would of got it all
SeGaMeSu: go 4 it
tmase is all-In [2285]
SeGaMeSu folds.

Dave D 08-14-2005 07:00 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
I think this situation is pretty unusual considering what usually gets talked about around here. I gotta bump it.

runout_mick 08-15-2005 03:20 AM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
Given your image here, don't you have to lay this down? You're only showing premium raises, and he still chooses to push? Pretty sure I fold and tell myself he had KK...

Dave D 08-15-2005 01:51 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
Well the issue is more that I've raised about 3 hands in the last orbit not including this one, and only shown one. The pusher may think I'm bluffing this time, raising with junk and trying to be a table bully because suddenly I have a big stack. But I have Tens, which isn't a monster, but is still a good hand. I see villian's range as just about anything because he thinks he can push me around.

Rduke55 08-15-2005 01:59 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
They're still tens and it's a big percentage of your stack. I'd wait for a better spot.

hurlyburly 08-15-2005 02:08 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
This looks like a good call to me. He's pissed about the JJ he just folded, you have him covered, and you are better than 50% equity against a reasonable hand range for villain.

You're also nowhere near the money. If you knock out 2 players back-to-back, and your table doesn't break, you gain a huge psychological advantage.

Dave D 08-15-2005 02:30 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
That's my thought process...

But they're still tens...

08-15-2005 02:38 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
I can never figure out the psychology of people that push all in for so much more than the pot.

He is obviously afraid to play the hand post flop. If he had AA or KK, don't you think he'd just call the raise, and try to get more out of you on the flop?

Does he have AA, KK, or QQ, and afraid of having it busted post flop? Does he have 72o, hoping to just win the pot right there, because his hand can't take a flop?

What causes people to overbet so much preflop?

I was considering making a thread on this earlier, but this dovetails nicely with this hand right here. I simply can't get my mind around it.

hurlyburly 08-15-2005 02:42 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
I don't see a player capable of folding JJ the previous hand making a play like this with a better hand. He's not going to want to drive you out if he has you beaten now, imo.

Yeah they're only tens, but you're more than a little ahead (63%) if you drop JJ+ pairs from his hand, so it's a +EV call.

If he told you he had AKo, would you call?

Dave D 08-15-2005 02:58 PM

Re: A run of cards and your adjustments...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't see a player capable of folding JJ the previous hand making a play like this with a better hand. He's not going to want to drive you out if he has you beaten now, imo.

Yeah they're only tens, but you're more than a little ahead (63%) if you drop JJ+ pairs from his hand, so it's a +EV call.

If he told you he had AKo, would you call?

[/ QUOTE ]

What if he wants it to look like he's on tilt/bluffing so that I call and he actually has a high PP?

He could be lying about the JJ.

Easy call if he has AK. I'm 60/40 to win and getting better than 1:1. If I lose, I still have a stack.


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