KK turns ugly.
 

Villain is LAG (48/17/3) - not a great player, but not too bad for 50NL

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($89.10)
BB ($57.95)
UTG ($56.32)
MP ($51)
Hero ($89.80)
Button ($95.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $3, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($6.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($18.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Kcova20000 checks.
Hero bets $17, Kcova20000 raises $34, Hero...?

easy fold right?

Re: KK turns ugly.
 

Would you fold A9 here? Your hand isn't that much better.......

Re: KK turns ugly.
 

That's an excellent perspective many people don't see hands like this from.

Re: KK turns ugly.
 

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That's an excellent perspective many people don't see hands like this from.

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Can you please explain why... I can't see it. Are you saying that KK here is same as QQ or JJ or TT or even A9? and why?

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That's an excellent perspective many people don't see hands like this from.

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Can you please explain why... I can't see it. Are you saying that KK here is same as QQ or JJ or TT or even A9? and why?

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That's exactly what I'm saying. Villain is telling you he can crush A9. Well what hands in villain's range that crush A9 are you beating with KK? Unless you have a read that villain overplays top pair hands (which is probably the note he now has on you), then a fold is your only option here.

TPTK hands are solid hands, but I am very hesitant to throw my stack in with them after the flop. Pre-flop with KK I am never folding, post-flop you have to be able to get away from them, especially after you have told villain your holding and he has responded that he doesn't care.

People bluff a lot less frequently then you think at these levels. Their biggest mistake is thinking their hand is stronger than it really is, but that is not the same thing as a bluff.

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I see what you mean... &amp; agree.

But could he not have TT, JJ or QQ with a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? His line is consistent with that... (sort of)

Also, What would you do here if one of you Kings was [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ?

Re: KK turns ugly.
 

How 'bout a preflop raise?

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raising is what I do 90% of the time in that spot... Was trying to mix up my play a bit.

I'm more interested about the turn play here... anyone check-folds?

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Having the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] adds 9 more outs minus any villian may have giving you the odds to call the turn raise. Against someone playing this many hands and half our stack in already I'd be ready to get it all in on the river with a Kh flush here.

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I see what you mean... &amp; agree.

But could he not have TT, JJ or QQ with a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? His line is consistent with that... (sort of)

Also, What would you do here if one of you Kings was [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ?

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K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is a call.