Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
Live 8-16. CP Minnesota.
UTG raises. UTG+1 calls , folds to me and I three bet black aces. Blinds fold. Both others call. UTG is a loose caller preflop (damn near any two suited, any two gaps of better, any pair) but doesn't raise lightly, especially UTG (I am putting him on a Broadway Ace, if it's less than AQ its suited and pocket pairs of 99-AA), UTG is usually pretty tight but is slightly tilting and doesn't respect UTG's play at all (I put him on any pair, any suited connectors or any suited broadway or any Big Ace.) Flop comes K-10-9 of diamonds. UTG bets UTG+1 raises. What is the play with black aces? |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
fold
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Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
Fold.
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Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
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Fold. [/ QUOTE ] Really? Ok, so we don't have the Ace of diamond, but is the answer this easy? |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
im calling and popping a favorable turn card.
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Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
Victor,
Just curious but what is a faviorable turn card? One of the reasons I had a question about this hand is that I didn't know what a good turn card was. |
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Victor, Just curious but what is a faviorable turn card? One of the reasons I had a question about this hand is that I didn't know what a good turn card was. [/ QUOTE ] how bout the offsuit ace [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]? really, tho any offsuit card other than q, or j are pretty good. a k is somewhat bad and an 8 is kinda bad. a 10 or 9 may be good or bad. i would be screaming for a black duece in my head. |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
Surprised by all the fold responses. Not time to give up on aces yet. Victor's line is good.
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Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
not time to give up on them? could there be a worse flop for aces than that? and you have to deal with two more cards to make things even worse. the best situation you can have here is maybe AK.. and that leaves you drawing to 1 ace because chances are your one pair wont be good
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not time to give up on them? [/ QUOTE ] certainly not, you are ahead way too often here in this large pot to fold. [ QUOTE ] could there be a worse flop for aces than that? [/ QUOTE ] yes, many times worse. [ QUOTE ] and you have to deal with two more cards to make things even worse [/ QUOTE ] our equity is still high enough to stay and its easy to get away if another heart comes. [ QUOTE ] the best situation you can have here is maybe AK [/ QUOTE ] please, do you really think that the worst hands these guys can have here is ak? it may be the most likely hand (certainly more likely than a set or flush) and we are way ahead of it. opponents can have any combo of a pair and a decent flush card tho and it makes sense that they would try to push you out. [ QUOTE ] and that leaves you drawing to 1 ace because chances are your one pair wont be good [/ QUOTE ] this is just wrong. one pair will hold up here plenty. get pokerstove, run some quick sims and see what you come up with. |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
I'd three bet the flop, send the message I am not one to be reckoned with.
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I'd three bet the flop, send the message I am not one to be reckoned with. [/ QUOTE ] Good idea! Be sure to 3-bet with 8Ts from a tight UTG raiser too! |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?--Results
I folded them. In my view, the only way I can keep going if I am sure that UTG is betting the flush draw and UTG is betting top pair only. Otherwise I do not think that I end up ahead enough to justify the call.
In my mind I am ahead very little and drawing to no more than 5 outs. I think it is an easy fold. |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?--Results
donk
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Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
There are just SOOO many hands that UTG+1 can have that you're badly behind here. Also, if UTG+1 was the type of player to make a raise on this flop to try and shut you out as a preflop 3-bettor I think he'd have been making some other plays that would make you take notice sitting in the 8-16 game at CP. I fold.
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Surprised by all the fold responses. Not time to give up on aces yet. Victor's line is good. [/ QUOTE ] As a player advocating a fold, we need to remember this is a live hand against a couple of Minnesota Nice players, not two online aggros. The worst hand I can realistically put UTG+1 on is a K with a diamond, besides that he could have a flush, a straight, any two pair or a set. Not to mention we could still easily be trailing UTG... |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
but I am one to be reckoned with
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There are just SOOO many hands that UTG+1 can have that you're badly behind here. [/ QUOTE ] Such as . . . ? I'm honestly not coming up with many likely candidates given the preflop action. Keep in mind that he doesn't respect UTG but only cold-called rather than 3-bet to isolate, so I would tend to discount AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], AJ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and TT; clearly KK would have 3-bet. So what's left that has you beat? QJo would have mucked, so all I can come up with is QJs (possible) and 99. |
Re: Black Aces on the Button- What is the flop play?
I think UTG+1 calls with any suited hand that makes 2 pair, QJs for sure, TT, 99, AJs [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], possibly some other suited aces. He'd raise KK and probably AK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and AQ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] but I don't think coldcalling is out of question here given the description and setting. Just because he doesn't respect UTG doesn't necessarily mean he's smart enough and aggressive enough to isolate w/o a monster. I also can't discount QJo and KTo as being out of the realm of possibility. Tight is a relative term in this game.
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