MySpace Opener Theory Discussion
 

I thought about putting this in the original thread, but this would likely get lost amidst all the status reports (not knocking them - they're great). I figure we'll let that thread crash and burn in due course, and we'll hammer out the instruction manual over here. Anyway, if we're going to succeed at this, I think we need to work harder on our openers. I'm not convinced that Inside? is all that and a bag of peanuts, but we haven't got anything that is much better.

Here's at least a start on what a good opener should be:

1. It should set you apart from other guys.
2. It should make the girl want to ask you questions.

In a sense, Inside? accomplishes both those goals. It's different, and she'll be wondering about it. But this is offset by the fact that she may just instantly conclude you're a freak, and she's also not asking questions about you, she's asking questions about Inside?. Maybe we need a couple more stipulations:

3. Those questions should ideally be about you.
4. The opener should make it obvious you're not a weirdo/stalker/rapist/wimp.

The other thing I tried is referring to her profile in your opener. I asked a (fantastically hot) girl who had "i'm looking for baggage that can match with mine," written in her profile, "Does it fit under the seat in front of you?" I got a quick response, laughter, but she didn't seem all that interested in finding about more to me. (It may also be that this girl is just unapproachable. She has over 100 friends and every last one of them is a guy who's drooling over her. It is almost certainly a ridiculously uphill battle to get her to care.) I think I met goals 1 and 4, but I didn't really get 2 or 3. The other weakness in this approach is that a bland profile with nothing that jumps out at you as the above did for me, you'll have a hard time accomplishing goal #1. Commenting on her music is likely to get you nowhere (although this speculation is unsubstantiated).

So, what do you think, guys? Do you have any other ideas how to accomplish the above goals? Are those goals are utter crap and should we come up with a new set? Also, what have your success rates been with various openers? How frequently do you get responses? Conversations? I don't think we necessarily need to consider the frequency with which you get dates. The conversation presumably does that, but, eh, I guess we can include it. Please, don't lie or exaggerate here. This is done in the name of science.

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as i stated in the other thread, i think just a form of the simple hello with possible compliment is the way to go.

if she either finds you attractive from your pictures, interesting from your profile, or both, she will get back to you to initiate conversation.

if she doesn't reply, she isn't interested. simple. if she does reply, then you can get back to her with something more substantial.

i created my account after this thread was created, and here are my stats:

-146 profile views.
-187 messages from probably ~70-80 women.
-23 friend requests.
-9 messages out of the blue. most compliments and telling me to fill out my profile, which is as sparse as it gets.

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80? Dang, dude, I think you'll have to offer up some more schooling than that, as well as a link to your profile. Also, you've gotten responses from 70-80 women. How many did you message to begin with? What would you say is the average rating of those women (3 or 10 point scale)? Can you provide a sample message that worked?

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I believe that points 1 and 2 are more a function of your profile than your opener.

This is the opener that I copy/paste to anyone within 50 miles of me:

Subject: I love Alabama
Body: Hey I was just looking around on here for anyone that lived around me (Enterprise). I just moved here and I don't know the area at all. Is there anything to do around here? I haven't seen much closer than Atlanta but driving 200 miles for something to do is getting a bit old.

This works well for me because (1) Alabama sucks, everyone knows it, and chicks are eager to talk to someone who can sypathize with how much Alabama sucks, (2) It provides a legitimate reason for initiating a coversation. Although the real reason is that the girl has hot pictures up and I want to get in her pants, you can't make this known too soon, or you will come across as either a perv or just like every other guy who messages her. Initiate conversation, display your game, then make your intentions known. Also, (3) The response is always either "There's nothing to do here, AL sucks" or "Yeah you can go here or here" and in either case you're set up well to ask for a date as early as the second message if you feel the time is right.

This might not work for everyone else, because it's very dependent on my situation, but hopefully some people can adapt it or use parts of it to develop their own intro. I'm sitting at about a 50% response rate right now with this message.

Edit: Also (4) I hate Atlanta, and I never go there for fun. I threw that part in there to imply that I like to travel and I like to get away from Alabama, both of which are very common feelings among the average girl I message.

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Good stuff, guys. Keep it coming. 50% responses is pretty solid. Of those, how frequently do you get a conversation going?

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Of those, how frequently do you get a conversation going?

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Right now that's all of them, but I've only been doing this for a few days. It's likely that many of these conversations will die out soon, and it's possible that some may have already died out but I just don't realize it yet because the last message is too recent.

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Chuddo is too cool for school. His tone is generally condescending because he thinks people look up to him for the Olivia fiasco.

Opener isn't too important as long as you don't tell her that she's "hot." Somebody in the other thread mentioned that they created a fake female profile and these "you're hot" comments come all the time. Don't try it. Save compliments for later messages/actual meetings. Also you shouldn't get long winded. One or two sentences is plenty.

Your profile, attractiveness, and apparent normality are really the keys for a response.

One thing I've noticed looking in the OOTiots Myspace group is that a lot of you guys have pictures of yourselves sitting at the poker table. That's really lame. You need pictures of yourself doing things other than poker. Pics with other chicks, drinking, playing an instrument... these kinds of things.

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One thing I've noticed looking in the OOTiots Myspace group is that a lot of you guys have pictures of yourselves sitting at the poker table. That's really lame. You need pictures of yourself doing things other than poker. Pics with other chicks, drinking, playing an instrument... these kinds of things.

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Hmm...this is actually interesting, is this because poker is bad or because it's cliche for all of us? I mean, people at the GuitarPlayer.com forums might be saying the same thing about dudes playing guitar in their pictures.

I have one pic of me playing poker, and 7 pics of other things, so I think it's balanced.

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A picture of yourself at a poker table will be substantially less appealing to a girl than a picture of yourself playing guitar. This is a fact.

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bep, not too cool for school. i just thought the "inside?" thing was quite lame and not as effective as a simple hello.

for the record i asked 3 of my cute/normal/cool girl-friends and they all said it was pretty weak and they gave it a thumbs down. that is empirical evidence baby.

but like i said, whatever works for you.

also from the olivia fiasco i looked like a huge douche both for insinuating i bagged her when asking the initial post, and in the conversation she posted where i overly apologized (bear in mind i was trying to still salvage it at that point).

but hey, good luck.

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It's just the tone of your posts man. You're just too damn cool for school.

I completely agree that "Inside?" isn't the end-all-be-all...

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I think you hit the nail on the head there, oh big furry one.

Anything that gets her responding without being insulting is fine. Short ambiguous phrases are fine, I think, (like 'inside?') as are ambiguously-phrased questions relating to their profile/pictures (ambiguous in the sense it's not clear whether you approve or disapprove of the thing - she'll get curious and ask).

perhaps some modification to that long-ass speech I posted which has some reference about her profile would be the good tack too?

eg

I've been with many races of chicks....
I've tasted tang in all 4 corners of the earth, and on every one of the seven seas...
I have contradicted myself and still been understood..
I have <insert reference here>,
But I wasted my time, cos I never myspaced you until now...


eg if she likes Eminiem, try
'I have stomped on Eminem disks, and then regretted it'

if she likes Brad Pitt movies
'I have watched Brad Pit get wasted and punched'

and so on.

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for the record i asked 3 of my cute/normal/cool girl-friends and they all said it was pretty weak and they gave it a thumbs down. that is empirical evidence baby.

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Not that I'm supporting the inside? method or anything, but if the girls who received these messages knew what the purpose of the message was, they would probably say it's pretty weak too. It works because they have no idea what it means. I think it's already proven to be effective. Whether or not it's optimal is a different story.

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A picture of yourself at a poker table will be substantially less appealing to a girl than a picture of yourself playing guitar. This is a fact.

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Sorry. My scanner is broke and a new one should've been here already. I could only find 3 pics of myself already up on the web somewhere. I still haven't really been sending out messages. I'm just responding to the ones I get. My Myspace plan goes into effect when I move in January...BTW, I need a lease for the Spring in Champaign, IL.

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Do you guys put any reference to your p***r skills in your profile? Just listing it as an interest doesn't mean anything, as probably half the guys in college play it from time to time. If you are actually a good player and rake in some pretty good cash from it, do you make that known? Most people I talk to are very intrigued to learn more about it.

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some reference it, some don't
I choose not to so much since I'm a low-limit donk, and it's been my experience in B&M pickups that girls do not dig 'gamblers'

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for the record i asked 3 of my cute/normal/cool girl-friends and they all said it was pretty weak and they gave it a thumbs down. that is empirical evidence baby.

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Could you possibly be any less scientific in your methodology?

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A picture of yourself at a poker table will be substantially less appealing to a girl than a picture of yourself playing guitar. This is a fact.

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what if the table is covered with an obscene amount of money?

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Then you attract gold diggers and whoooooooooers.

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I thought that was the idea behind it all....

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Then you attract gold diggers and whoooooooooers.

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And if they get one sniff of your filthy lucre, I tell ya, they'll suck you dry...

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I thought that was the idea behind it all....

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Yeah, but you turn off the generic sluts because they see you as another cocky bastard. The sluts are the ideal targets.

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Then you attract gold diggers and whoooooooooers.

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Women are attracted to money, power and fame. If you can imply that you have any of the three in any combination you can pull interest.

I think listing you make money playing p***r in your profile should be +EP.

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I am generally not a fan of the whole "+ev" posts in OOT...but +ep...I love it!

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I haven't read the huge-ass thread and I know very little about myspace, but I think I get the jist of what is going on here. Half of 2+2 is trying to hook up with these chicks online, no?

If that's true, then

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2. It should make the girl want to ask you questions.

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Is something that failed miserably for me (though I've only tried it in real life...maybe this whole internet hookup thing is way different). A good cold-call (in the telemarketing sense, not the poker sense) opening line should

1. Be funny/entertaining
2. Open the girl up to talk about herself, particularly about that beautiful person that lies beneath those D cups that no one ever bothers to see.

The whole game is not about you. It's about her trying to validate herself. 90% of the hot girls who would go through posting these pictures (which I assume are purposely hot...cute poses with clothes/light/other crap that highlight her better parts) know that these pictures are going to attract males who will tell them how hot they look, which in turn will lead these guys to kiss their asses and tell them how they are such great people and how they share such a deep connection. These girls have low self-esteem. Do NOT give them that validation they are seeking. That's how you end up getting played just like most, if not all, of the 100 guys on this chick's profile. Trust me...I know. I've been played a lot and I know a lot of guys who get played a lot. If you don't give them that validation, they will come after you to get it, even if it means she has to seduce you and sleep with you to make sure you like her.

Make jokes
Get her talking about herself
Get her on the defensive

You are the prize to be won...not her.

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truetruetrue

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Well, I don't have that large of a sample size yet, but of the 10 girls I messaged with 'inside?' 6 have written me back. The responses have all been very similar, 'huh?' 'what?' 'inside what?'

I do have to say though, I've tried to get the conversations rolling after their first reply, but I can't tell if they think i'm a weirdo for completely avoiding the fact that I just wrote "inside?" for the contact message.

I think closing and volume are the two key factors. Once you get a few messages with her, look for an angle to close on, i.e. meet up somewhere and do something that she points out she likes, or offer AIM or MSN info. And volume seems to be a critical factor for success. If conversations dry up or go nowhere, you got other messages in your box to act on. The law of large numbers, which is our specialty, will eventually pay off.

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alright i think everyone works differently but two things have really improved my results so far.

#1 I gave up on chicks under 24, I decided A) it was too much to compete with the college guys and most importantly B) girls 24+, know whats up and aren't as into having a [censored] load of friends for giggles. They are looking to hook up. And I think it's a more realistic target for myself

#2) I have been picking some small tidbit of info from there profile, asking a question and using that to start a conversation. I try and do it a way that shows some humor but this isn't always possible. I go with something small like one girl had Frank Sinatra listed under music which so I went with that.

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Sterling work. I think that's excellent advice for the non-numbers players.

And it's good to have your true cenobite self back.

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And it's good to have your true cenobite self back.

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cenobite explain?

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Gonores, your post, BIMO. This definitely must be taken into account in the opener.

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Best in my opinion? I'd like to know for sure, too!

[/ QUOTE ]brilliant in my opinion. There's a picture and thread that goes along with it that's hilarious.

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Best in my opinion? I'd like to know for sure, too!

[/ QUOTE ]brilliant in my opinion. There's a picture and thread that goes along with it that's hilarious.

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link?

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http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3...iantimo9cn.jpg

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I have been thinking about your post some more, gonores. I think that if we never generate enough interest in her to get her to want to ask us questions about ourselves, then I think we've by definition failed. However, it may be that accomplishing this is virtually impossible for an opener. We can save seeing if she's willing to ask about us either for the following conversation, or for the first meeting, depending on how quickly you get things rolling (quicker is better, IMO). Good stuff, man.

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Best in my opinion? I'd like to know for sure, too!

[/ QUOTE ]brilliant in my opinion. There's a picture and thread that goes along with it that's hilarious.

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link?

[/ QUOTE ]I found the thread.
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...part=1&vc=1

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Best in my opinion? I'd like to know for sure, too!

[/ QUOTE ]brilliant in my opinion. There's a picture and thread that goes along with it that's hilarious.

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link?

[/ QUOTE ]I found the thread.
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...part=1&vc=1

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wow. from page 6 of that thread:

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my neighbor gets hot hoes from myspace. I'm thinking about doing it.



I work with a girl that has screwed 3 guys she met on myspace in the last 5 months. I mean she's a whore, but if you're into meeting slutty chicks with no self-esteem, this place is a goldmine.

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how did it take 9 months for OOT to hop on this gravy train?

we should have all listened to ASFuji back then.

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how did it take 9 months for OOT to hop on this gravy train?


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Haha yeah.. were hittin sloppy seconds. [censored], probably sloppy thirds or forths by now.

OK guys, read and re-read gonores post. The guy is obviously on top of his game. He's spot on with the entire post.

You guys that are looking for the holy grail of an openor that will get girls running at you pussy first are crazy. You're gonna come up short. There is no secret line or perfect magical formula (there ARE some key ingredients to the formula though). Nearly every girl should get a different opener tailored specifically to what her profile suggests she's interested in.

Once you get the converstation going, be yourself. You need to be conversing in a style that your used to or else it will sound weird.

As far as the "magic formula," it's different for each girl. From my experience though, these ingredients are generally present: true self-confidence, humor/wit, displaying some sort of value, and not being so [censored] weird. Now, since were talking on the computer, I would focus mostly on humor and not being weird. And atleast make sure not to say anything "unconfident."

If you want to put forth minimal effort and go with the mass messaging or "multi-tabling" technique, I think "Inside?" is pretty damn good. It should get atleast a simple first response. Understand that is all it is for, a first response, a means to an end. Then go with a witty line playing off her profile. Work your natural game from there. If she immediatly thinks "inside" is really weird, [censored] BAIL ON IT. Go with the "just making sure you were inside cause its chilly outside" or something like that. You gotta work on the fly.

If you guys find this at all helpful I'll post some tips on profiles.

One last thing, if you get nothing out of this thread atleast internalize this part of gonores post: "You are the prize to be won...not her."