Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

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This is a bit of a vague question isn't it - any chance of telling us what the significance of the question is?

Simon

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Two years from now will Syntax still be here obsessing over this?

I'd do a poll too but then again who gives a fcuk?

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I was here two years ago. I was even here two years before that. I'll still be here in two years though, I know that. Where where you, and where will you be is a better question?

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Two years ago, if we took a poll like this, but exchanged the words "Party Poker" with the words "Paradise Poker" in the question, the results probably would have been something like 90% Yes. I suspect the numbers from this poll will be around that number give or take.

But I think the resluts will be interesting to see. What if the number turns out to be a lot lower? That would raise a lot of "why?" questions.

If the numbers are what I anticipate, then I am marking this date on my calendar with a big fat "I told you so" for some people around here who have been arguing with me vehemently about how superior Party is.

I watched Paradise topple like Rome, and Party is the one who did it. Ironically, Party has become just like Paradise was in those days. A revolution is near.

If Im wrong, I'll have to eat a pack of cards.

Oh, and I just posted this right after someone post the "Is Homer a spammer?" poll cause it made me laugh and I was in the mood to make a poll.

Re: Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

Syntax,

You have an unhealthy obsession with things that don't matter.

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This poll is very important.
I believe it might just change my life.
Why did you make it 3 days? I need to know now!
Do you have a claw?

Re: Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

The only thing Party has going for it is the number of players on there. The lack of variant poker games sucks. The lack of higher limits sucks. The support sucks. The programming sucks. Only problem is, someone has to risk the money on advertising and whatnot to overtake them, and who can say if this will happen?

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Actually, you can now make futures bets on which sites will have the most real money players in 1,2,and 3 year time frames. Many online sporting books offer it now. I was surprised to see Fulltiltpoker as the second favorite in the 2 year time frame. Party leads in all three.

In the three year time frame, you can get 25,000-1 odds on Choice Poker. With the Chinese backing it now, and being the only poker site the Chinese people will have access to, I think this would be a great bet. Once Choice offers Pai Gow in the near future, it could easily be the biggest online poker site very very soon.

I don't want to betray the trust of my sources, so I'll be vague. However, from what my source tells me, the Chinese plan on allowing their citizens to use the chat feature while playing online. This will be the first time the Chinese government has allowed free speech for it's citizens. Many people in the know, feel that billions of Chinese will play poker at Choice just so they can use the chat feature.

25,000-1? I think I'll take that bet!

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yes

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If the numbers are what I anticipate, then I am marking this date on my calendar with a big fat "I told you so" for some people around here who have been arguing with me vehemently about how superior Party is.


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What difference does it make which poker site is the dominant site 2 years from now? How does it affect my choice in poker sites today?

Re: Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

6 months ago I woulda said no. I have always thought Party would fumble just like Paradise did. But now that seems more and more unlikely. I was always a big Paradise supporter but they totally botched MTT's with mini levels and turbo play and the non-existance of the standard online 15 minute levels in their tourneys.

Stars just doesn't seem to be able to attract ring game players to give us the options that Party does. But Stars still is the best tournament site.

But despite Partys rapid growth they have actually handled it fairly well and have done many things right. Going hand for hand earlier is a godsend and something Stars needs to incorporate. The 3 table sngs are awesome and my new main poker income source. I expect to see these expand to higher and lower limits. Partys satelite system is dreadful though and they need to learn from Stars.

Party just seems like the place to be and I don't see anyone even close to being able to threaten them. Stars is a lot better in most ways but has trouble attracting ring players. Paradise needs to shelve their entire tournament structure and start over with normal level times and add in muti-table sngs. They have better software and with playable tournaments may be able to become a force again but I don't see it happening and Party will reign supreme for quite some time I think.

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You may not remember, heck, I don't know if I do anymore, but this whole frenzy started when I said that I think the way Party does things is nonsense. I don't think they put as much emphasis on player retention as they do on recruitment. I took a beating over this statement. I think the way they operate is the way Paradise did when they were the King. I believe it is going to be their Achilles heel as well.

No, this should not affect what games you choose to play today. If you are an affiliate earning a nice chunk for now, well, make sure you save some for a rainy day.

Like a kegger on campus, this party will eventually break as well.

Re: Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

You are assuming Party Poker is going to remain static.

Just like a good poker player adjusts his game to the players he is facing at the moment, a company can adjust its policies to the changing marketplace.

Right now there is an explosion in new and newbie players. Party Poker spends a lot of money advertising on TV during baseball games, etc. and giving bonus money to new players that bust out, and generous first time sign up bonuses. With so many new players entering the game today, and as proven by the numbers, this is probably the best strategy.

As the market matures, and former newbie players start demanding better support, or better software, and the pool of new players entering the market slows down, Party can always shift gears and instead of spending its massive budget on ads to attract new players, start throwing it at providing better support, bonus programs directed towards retaining players instead of getting new ones, etc.

Doing it the way Syntax would want it done, he would have a site with a couple of well rewarded sharks sitting around a table wondering why no one else is showing up to play. Some one at Party figured out it is better to attract a certain percentage of the 100 new fish that enter the market every day, rather than spend money keeping the 1 old player (who may hang around anyways). Down the road, it may pay to retain players rather than constantly get new ones, when the stream of new players dries up.

They adjust to the changes in the market and retain #1 status, or they don't, and the company that does it best in the new market will then be #1. But I don't think the market has really changed just yet. Wait till ESPN starts airing the new WSOP and see what happens.

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I was here two years ago. I was even here two years before that. I'll still be here in two years though, I know that. Where where you, and where will you be is a better question?

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All that bluster and you still didn't answer my question. You aren't in politics by any chance are you?

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tiltboy............you kick ass [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I cant be the only one who is getting sick and tired Syntax\'s posts .
 

Give it a rest, will ya?

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Keep it up Syntax. Yours is the only poker stuff worth reading on this forum.

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Keep it up Syntax. Yours is the only poker stuff worth reading on this forum.

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So I have a copy cat. If you're going to copy someone, you can't do better than copying Dilbert.

Re: Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

I watched Paradise topple like Rome

first, paradise did not topple like rome. they have sustained a growth and profit rate that would be the envy of any fortune 500 company. the fact that party has become massive does not make paradise a failure.

quite the contrary, paradise remains the site of choice for many that appreciate the excellent customer service, software and security.

there is a class taught in every undergraduate business program in universities worlwide. it is beginning corporate finance. one of the first case studies the students have to tackle is the very real and dangerous problems associated with out of control growth. party poker could now replace this fictional company in these lecture halls because they don't get more textbook than the problems they are having.

finally, i'm not going to bust tilt boy, but he has been here for as long as anyone, and longer than you. why he changed his posting name is not my business, but when slinging posting envy around, get your facts straight.

Re: Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

I think it's about 50/50. Party has done such a good job of attracting fish that I'm currently willing to tolerate their buggy software and poor customer support because I can make more money there than anywhere else. The question is whether the software bugs will drive enough players elsewhere to cause them to lose their dominance. It's also possible that they will eventually fix these problems.

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Why does everyone say they make more money there then anywhere else?

After 10 P.M party is extremely difficult to beat consistently.

I must have played the wrong limits. .50/1.00 sucks.. I belong at 10/20 .. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I haven't played .50/1.00 at Party for awhile, but I haven't had much trouble beating 10/20 6 max at any time of day for the last few weeks. Of course, I've been running pretty good lately, so we'll see if it continues when my luck changes.

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finally, i'm not going to bust tilt boy, but he has been here for as long as anyone, and longer than you. why he changed his posting name is not my business, but when slinging posting envy around, get your facts straight.

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It is no big secret Granny, I used to post here using a name that I also played under on several sites including Paradise and Stars. When people at the tables started asking me about things I had posted on 2+2 it seemed that a change in 2+2 nicks was in order. If people want to play and post under the same nick that is their perogative, but I'm not good enough, IMOO, to give anyone any insight into how I may or may not play a particular hand. It was purely a business decision to use another nick on 2+2. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I have revealed to several 2+2 regulars via PM who I used to post as so my big secret is about as secure as Granny's garter anytime Mason is under her radar.

What the hell this trivia has to do with what I wrote is anybody's guess.

P.S. I will reveal that for about a year and a half before we were required to register I posted here as Bob. Of course, so did about 50 other people.

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Hey Granny, I know from other posts that you only play Paradise, and thats cool, I was just making a point. The first site I ever played 4 something years ago was Paradise and I loved it. I was one of the staunchest defenders of that site on these very message boards then too (long before they called it the zoo). But, I haven't played there in 2 years or so. You have to agree, that they had it all and dropped the ball. I don't think they are a bad site, and I have definate plans to take advantage of this 4th of July bonus. Since I am one of the suckers that have been with all these cardrooms before affiliate deals were available, the occasional reload bonus is my only perk. The upside, is that I don't have to devote my life to one site or else feel like im giving up a rake rebate. In a lot of ways, I prefer it.

And I don't know if tiltboy has been around longer then me, like matters anyway, but if you want to check facts, you can search the archives from 2000 and one and find posts from "Gator", that was me, and read how I was a "shill" for paradise.

My lucky day...
 

Downloaded and installed Paradise today and logged on for the first time in about 1.5 years.

Found I still had .50 remaining on my balance. Nothing like reaching into the pocket of last winter's coat and finding some long lost cash.

Its Miller time tonight.

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there is still time to get your vote in

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"tiltboy............you kick ass "

tiltboy's picture is so gross i'm skipping his posts.

Re: Two years from now, will Party Poker still be dominant?
 

I guess we will find out what people think in 30 minutes

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I'm guessing the results will be about 65% no, 35% yes.

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That would shock me. From the posts around here, I guessed 90% yes, 10% no.

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I'm so glad we can finally see the results. My life is truly complete.

Im suprised by the results....
 

I'm pretty sure I can figure out why about half the people think Party will lose it's place. But it begs the question, "Who will replace them"? I would guess the favorite would be full tilt?

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Who will replace them"? I would guess the favorite would be full tilt?

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I actually really like full tilt poker's software and layout. Hopefully they will get some of their technical problems resolved and I can play there.

I really really like the avatars and smoothness, also the fact that it is run by poker pros.

Anything is better then the hindu support party has.

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Anything is better then the hindu support party has.

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nice, jerkwad.

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nice, jerkwad.

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I'm sorry did I offend you?

If so, FUK OFF!

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nice, jerkwad.

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I'm sorry did I offend you?

If so, FUK OFF!

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gabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbby, you annoy me.

please blame all christians for the bad service at blockbuster. please blame all shintos for any problems you might experience w/ sony.

please blame yourself for any problems you might face for your own stereotyped bigotry.

please mature as a person,
bwana

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I don't get it when people refer to FullTilt as being the only site run by pros. What about UB? Is Hellmouth not a pro (or Duke)? What about Lee Jones at Stars? And how is Mike Sexton not a pro?

Party may well lose its #1 seat in two years. But it will done by one of the top 5 sites, not by a newcomer. When Paradise was #1 two years ago, Party was #2.