10-20 at borgata.
 

I have Two black sixes on the BB got two limpers before MP a preatty solid player raises .Everybody but the last position and SB folds.I aslo call.
Flop Qd 4d 6d.I check ,UTG checks, solid player bets.Everybody folds, I raise, UTG loose player 3 bets it solid player caps it.
What you would do.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

I think if you are asking this question the answer is:

Get up and put yourself on the 3/6 list.

Welcome to the forum,
Joe Tall

Seriously...
 

Joe Tall is right. Go buy a copy of Winning Low Limit Hold 'Em or something.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

it was a 10 20 game you moran.or it's so hard to understand for you

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Good luck getting help now... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

no sore losers like you need to reply.Boston red socks ha ha ha ha

Re: Seriously...
 

1. Quit playing poker

2. Learn how to spell "moron"

3. Keep writing derogatory posts about the best player on the forum

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Maybe Clarkmeister will help you out

Re: Seriously...
 

do you like to play with me at any Atlantic city casino.If you would(I see you are from Princeton) you will really enjoy taking my money.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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it was a 10 20 game you moran.or it's so hard to understand for you

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This is a fantastic way to get an answer to your question. I think I will add this to my list of comments to make when trying to persuade people.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Since no one is giving you a serious answer, I will.

You have seven outs to a full house. You are getting an immediate 10.5:1 on the flop call, and you are only a 5.7:1 dog to fill up on the turn. Even if you don't hit a full house on the turn, you'll pick up three more outs for the river. Go into check call mode. If another diamond doesn't fall, I'd probably even be tempted to call a river bet.

To the other posters: Constuctive comments are what makes this forum work.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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To the other posters: Constuctive comments are what makes this forum work.

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Accepting them is also necessary. You must have missed his previous posts.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Thank you.Thats what I did exacly.I did put the strong player in AA,KK or AQ.So I called.The turn was a black rag.I checked, UTG did bet, the strong player called, I called. River its As I checked, UTG checked the strong player checked.I did show my two sixes ,UTG mock the hand,and the strong player showed me QQ.
Again thank you for your reply

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Constuctive comments are what makes this forum work

My reply was very constructive. I feel it's good advice.

Peace,
Joe Tall

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

I'm with Joe. Seriously, and I mean this as nicely as possible, it's better to learn at low limits. If you're asking these questions and trying to improve, it's easier to learn at games where people are AWFUL and even if you're average you can be ahead.
As you move up in limits, the games get tougher. So, if you're having trouble with 10/20 decisions, it might be better to get yourself grounded in the fundamentals at a lower limit.
Sorry Joe if that's not what you meant, but I really am assuming it was.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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Thank you.Thats what I did exacly.I did put the strong player in AA,KK or AQ.So I called.The turn was a black rag.I checked, UTG did bet, the strong player called, I called. River its As I checked, UTG checked the strong player checked.I did show my two sixes ,UTG mock the hand,and the strong player showed me QQ.


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This is a pretty sweet post, because it is indeed pretty challenging to tell which of the three of you is the worst player.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Oh boy, only 3 more days until I too can get a library of 10-20 Borgata hands to post and get roundly mocked for. Huzzah huzzah.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Here is a good advice.F... off.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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Here is a good advice.F... off.

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You rule. At both life and poker. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, especially not Clark.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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Thank you.Thats what I did exacly.I did put the strong player in AA,KK or AQ.So I called.The turn was a black rag.I checked, UTG did bet, the strong player called, I called. River its As I checked, UTG checked the strong player checked.I did show my two sixes ,UTG mock the hand,and the strong player showed me QQ.
Again thank you for your reply

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Don't worry about Joe. He's just mad because he found out that Larry Bird is white.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Rethink your opinion of the strong player. If he was any good he would have bet the river.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Dear Ulisses.I've seen a post about you having QQ which was similar with my post and my play.If you gonna tell me just how bad I suck at least give a alternative for my play.It is aggravating when you are much smarter (like you trying to act)but if you are not going beyond the "you suck" part,you are not showing me that you are smart.And the reason that i'm replying is only to tell you this.I answered to Clark couse he was rude and pathetic in trying to entertain himself and the others(obviously he thinks he has talent in writting)with a simple concenre of mine.IF YOU ALL GENIOUS MINDS DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEBODY WRITES ISN'T THE BEST JUST TO IGNORE THAT POST,OR BY THINKING THAT YOU ARE SMART YOU THINK THAT ITS OK TO BASH ANYONE YOU PLEASE.iF IT'S SO THAT DON'T COMPLAINT WHEN YOU GET PAYED WITH THE SAME COIN.

Re: Seriously...
 

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do you like to play with me at any Atlantic city casino.If you would(I see you are from Princeton) you will really enjoy taking my money.

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If you actually play in that game regularly, he already has.

scrub

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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Thank you.Thats what I did exacly.I did put the strong player in AA,KK or AQ.So I called.The turn was a black rag.I checked, UTG did bet, the strong player called, I called. River its As I checked, UTG checked the strong player checked.I did show my two sixes ,UTG mock the hand,and the strong player showed me QQ.
Again thank you for your reply

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Don't worry about Joe. He's just mad because he found out that Larry Bird is white.

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LARRY BIRD IS WHITE?!!?!?!?!?!?

Make the Good Fold
 

In your "loose games" post you thanked me for giving you a serious response after having a dump truck full of sh*t land on you. Now you're wearing out guys who tried to cut you some slack.

You can't win these pissing contests. You're drawing dead. Make the good fold.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

You really need to know the answer to this question, seriously. Unlike others in this thread, this response is not intended to demean you.

If you don't know the answer instinctively, get a calculator and figure it out.

HINT: A full house beats a flush.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

scalafab,
I think the general concensus here is that you played that hand rather poorly. Although the tone of some of the messages may not have been to your liking, I think you should really take the messages to heart.

Seeing how you really didn't provide much information about the hand as it played out, maybe you could help us understand you thinking by walking us through the hand.

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I have Two black sixes on the BB got two limpers before MP a preatty solid player raises.

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You called this player "solid". What kind of hands do you think he might be raising here? Suited connectors? Pair? two face cards? Have you considered that being in the BB you will be acting before him on every subsequent round?

Let's say this solid player only plays face cards, suited Aces and pairs. If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise?

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Everybody but the last position and SB folds.I aslo call.

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Last position being the button? What kind of hands do you think the button/SB would call a raise with (especially knowing the raiser is "pretty solid")? What kind of hands could they be holding that would have been good enough to limp and then call?

So at this point it seems like there are four players here: SB, You (BB), MP (solid player), button (last position). Is it possible here that any of them could have a pair? Suited cards?

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Flop Qd 4d 6d.I check ,UTG checks, solid player bets. Everybody folds, I raise, UTG loose player 3 bets it solid player caps it.

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Here it gets a little confusing. Based on what you said earlier it sounded like the SB is still in it. And now a mystery UTG player is here. Are we 5 handed?

You said in a later post that you put the solid player on possibly AA or maybe AQ. Is it possible that his A might be the A of diamonds? You raise here. You're sending the message that you have a strong hand. Maybe you already made your flush, or maybe you made a set. But one player raises you and another re-raises you. Did you consider the possibility that maybe one or both have caught a flush here?

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I did put the strong player in AA,KK or AQ. So I called.

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That's fine if you are head's up with the strong player, but there is still the UTG to consider. What do you put him on? Again, are two diamonds or at least the Ad beyond consideration?

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The turn was a black rag.I checked, UTG did bet, the strong player called, I called.

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Is this a "rag" that could make a straight draw (ie a 2 or an 8)? Would the "loose" UTG stay in with, say the 35 or 57 of diamonds (or offsuit) and this rag just made his OESD?

I think the point that others were trying to make were that to be playing at the 10/20 level, you need to be asking all the questions I've listed above. Without a read or feel for the players you need to answer the questions (and act accordingly) based on probability. Once you have played with the player long enough that you know what kind of hands he plays and how he plays them you can begin to make calls that may not be mathematically sound, but it doesn't sound like you are there yet.

Now at the risk of being assaulted by mis-spelled expletives, I have to point out that posting your hand in this public forum is to request feedback, both positive and negative. You asked what other posters would do and they have told you (in their own colorful fashion).

-tank

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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If you gonna tell me just how bad I suck at least give a alternative for my play.

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Dude, I did not say you suck bad. I just said it was hard to say which of you sucked worst. At one point you said you put strong player on AA/KK/AQ. You beat all of those hands, but did not raise him. You must have been very afraid of the loose UTG player who obviously didn't need a flush to put in a lot of action. Here's an alternative. Checkraise the turn.

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It is aggravating when you are much smarter (like you trying to act)but if you are not going beyond the "you suck" part,you are not showing me that you are smart.

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Don't be aggravated because I'm so smart. Rejoice in it.

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And the reason that i'm replying is only to tell you this.I answered to Clark couse he was rude and pathetic in trying to entertain himself and the others(obviously he thinks he has talent in writting)

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I like your posts because you are one of the few people on this forum who Clark has not been able to fool.

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IF YOU ALL GENIOUS MINDS DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEBODY WRITES ISN'T THE BEST JUST TO IGNORE THAT POST

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Perhaps, Fabian, but it's not always the most fun line to take.

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iF IT'S SO THAT DON'T COMPLAINT WHEN YOU GET PAYED WITH THE SAME COIN.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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(from your results post) UTG mock the hand

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Perhaps you got mad about this hand because UTG was mocking your hand. I think that was pretty rude of him, 'cause a set of sixes is a really good hand.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

Seriously, when the good player caps it up, you'd have to think a set of queens is a possibility, along with AA, KK and AQ.

But the pot is big, the third player you can probably beat so you should call two more back to you on the flop. After the flop, your opponent played this more like he had KK then top set.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise

When you are in the BB and there are two limpers and a raise from LP by a solid player, you can call w/66 here. If you flop a set you are very likely to make up the lack of preflop bets in flopping a set on later streets. Especially versus an aggressive player.

The poster should be thinking about extracting the maximum here and not folding before the river. If indeed he has ran into set over set, tough one, you can slow down on later street and get to the showdown.

Welcome to the forum,
Joe Tall

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

iF IT'S SO THAT DON'T COMPLAINT WHEN YOU GET PAYED WITH THE SAME COIN.

You are paying? How much are you offering? If it is enough, I'm sure you'll be able to find someone willing to help you.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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Let's say this solid player only plays face cards, suited Aces and pairs. If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise? Let's say this solid player only plays face cards, suited Aces and pairs. If he has a pair bigger than 66s, you are in big trouble. Even if he has two face cards you are only a slight favorite (if you are heads up). So is it really worth it to call his raise?

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So are you saying that calling a raise from BB with 66 is wrong???

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

So are you saying that calling a raise from BB with 66 is wrong???

No matter what he was saying, the preflop call is a no brainer.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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So are you saying that calling a raise from BB with 66 is wrong???

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No. I would probably call the PF raise as well. I think it would be hard for me to get away from the set, but if the PR raiser was as "solid" as I define solid, I think I get out after the raise, re-raise with the all-diamond flop.

I think my main point was to steer away from the "f..k you" posts and get scalafab see why people were telling him he should have folded.

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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I think I get out after the raise, re-raise with the all-diamond flop.

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when you flop a set
the last thing you want to do
is fold on the flop

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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when you flop a set
the last thing you want to do
is fold on the flop

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unless you are sure
someone has a bigger set
then folding is smart

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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when you flop a set
the last thing you want to do
is fold on the flop

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unless you are sure
someone has a bigger set
then folding is smart

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i will pay them off
if they can flop bigger set
and say good for you

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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when you flop a set
the last thing you want to do
is fold on the flop

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unless you are sure
someone has a bigger set
then folding is smart

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A habit of this
cannot be made or profits
will burn to a crisp

now enough with the haiku lol...isn't it supposed to be about nature and beauty and not gambling? fun as it is and all. he can't fold here, solid can surely have other hands than QQ like overpair diamond draws...gotta see this one through. if you're making a habit of folding a set on the flop in limit poker in this situation i think you're leaving you're meal ticket on the table.

-Barron

Re: 10-20 at borgata.
 

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when you flop a set
the last thing you want to do
is fold on the flop

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unless you are sure
someone has a bigger set
then folding is smart

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i will pay them off
if they can flop bigger set
and say good for you

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This forum rules.

Reason to fold pre-flop
 

I would be concerned about the two early limpers.

Have they been limping and then reraising. How aggressive is the pre-flop play.

If one of these EP limpers had 10/10 - AA you could be looking at havinig to call another bet or possibly two. The additional bet should not nec. stop you but if you had to call two I don't think you are getting proper odds but others would know better.