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nykenny 03-26-2004 12:29 PM

what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Hiya all the good people. i want to start something interesting here, in reaction to all the dull posts flooding 2+2 lately. and let's bring life back to the Hold'em General (forum, duh...)!

So, what is your Poker word of wisdom or phase of wisdom? Please either respond to this thread of start your own thread if you feel the topic is big enough

Suggestion: try to share some insights that you believe is an extention of an existing concept, or some new philosophy that you have developed, or new knowledge that is little known by most. But if you wish to emphasize on some known concepts, that's ok too. As long as you have some strong opinion on this topic.

Example: If you are reraised by SB after open raising on the button, you should cap most of the time if your hand is a legit raising hand on the button. (it's an example)

Note: It doesn't have to be Texas Hold'em specific, but of course most of us here are more interested in hold'em then others.

turnipmonster 03-26-2004 12:56 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
my favorite quote in general (applies to poker):

"When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail".

specific wisdom (this is only for big bet poker). AK is one of the easiest hands to put someone on if you can reraise them preflop. usually if they have JJ-AA their action is pretty quick, as they know if they are going to reraise, call or fold. if they have AK, they have to figure out if you have AA or KK, so they will usually stop to think before calling.

also, when someone is initially looking at their cards, people generally look only for a second if they have a hand like a pocket pair, particularly aces.

the reliability of these tells of course varies.

--turnipmonster

gonores 03-26-2004 01:11 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"Poker (especially low-limit) is nothing more than the brute application of a science."

~me

Sarge85 03-26-2004 01:21 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"95% of the time raise the nut flush draw if you are on the button, and there are at least 3 others in the pot."

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

nykenny 03-26-2004 02:08 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
[ QUOTE ]
"Poker (especially low-limit) is nothing more than the brute application of a science."

~me

[/ QUOTE ]
Like [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Similarly, i call "job interviewing skills" a form of art [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

Kenny

pokeryogi 03-26-2004 02:30 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
P.Y.B.G.A.T.T.

ZeeJustin 03-26-2004 02:41 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
I.T.P.G.O.L.W.A.T.R

- In the poker game of life, women are the rake.

Nottom 03-26-2004 02:48 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
I think this statement is likely true even if you eliminate everything after the comma.

kiemo 03-26-2004 02:58 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"Know when to hold them, know when to fold them" - Ben Franklin


Nottom 03-26-2004 03:08 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
[ QUOTE ]
"Know when to hold them, know when to fold them" - Ben Franklin

[/ QUOTE ]

Ben Franklin said a lot of things, but this one was said by Kenny Rogers

harboral 03-26-2004 03:33 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Life is, at best, a gamble.

Poker is a life, not a game.

Hey, make sure those chips enjoy where they are for now, because eventually they will be going home with me.


Warik 03-26-2004 04:31 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"Luck is a good poker player's worst enemy."
-Paraphrased from TOP

MrDannimal 03-26-2004 04:46 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
You can't win the tourney on the first day, but you can sure as hell lose it.

(you can swap "first day" for any term that covers the opening stage of the tourney, so first few limits, first few hours, whatever).

nykenny 03-26-2004 05:48 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I.T.P.G.O.L.W.A.T.R

- In the poker game of life, women are the rake.

[/ QUOTE ]

i heard this one from "Rounders". is that where it's originated? it has some truths to it, hehe.

nykenny 03-26-2004 05:49 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
[ QUOTE ]
P.Y.B.G.A.T.T.

[/ QUOTE ]
= play your best game at all time?

thirddan 03-26-2004 07:19 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Play your best game all THE time? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Styles 03-26-2004 08:13 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
WoW it's like a Signature thread [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

"Lock you your backdoor and run for you life!"

arvin 03-26-2004 08:25 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 

If you are out for revenge, you might as well dig two graves.

onegymrat 03-26-2004 09:07 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Hi Kenny,

[ QUOTE ]
So, what is your Poker word of wisdom or phase of wisdom?

[/ QUOTE ]Poker (although mathematical, scientific, statistical, serious and at times gut-wrenchingly frustrating) is still only a game kept score by money. You have to remember to have fun playing. If you find yourself losing sleep over a bad run, or losing personal relationships over conflicts, etc., perhaps a break is in order. I have recently come across many players that seem to forget that this game can be very enjoyable.

VarlosZ 03-26-2004 10:50 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
I like Sklansky's quote in TOP: "So again, do not raise in no-limit hold 'em, especially tournaments, if there is a reasonable chance that a reraise will make you throw up."

It can be applied, metaphorically, to many walks of life.

bicyclekick 03-27-2004 03:40 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
I guess the only wisdom i'd have to offer...and something I was bad about when I was a new guy, is ALWAYS, and yes I mean ALWAYS have enough bets in front of you to cap every street.

I always went with a certain amount I was willing to lose, so I'd buy in for that amount, and when I'd be low I'd just play with low...and end up all in. I think that made a huge difference in winning or losing in a night....I never had any more chips to push in on my good hands.

If you get low, either re-buy if you can handle losing more or quit right there, cause you're probably just going to lose what you have in front of you eventually because you'll have a 'small' downswing and lose it all because you didn't win enough on your good hand.

bunky9590 03-27-2004 03:59 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"Do not use cannon to kill mosquito!" I just like confucious' sayings.

"If its good enough to call, you should seriously consider raising." Dave Sklansky
(I love this one the best!)

bdk3clash 03-27-2004 09:40 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
(One of the regular Small Stakes posters said something to this effect, which greatly helped my game.)

Bet the river for value; worry about it later.

The point is, you'll be called down by such a vastly inferior range of hands that missing bets for fear of made draws/better hands is -EV.

While it's true that you should only (value) bet hands on the end that you want to be called with, at low limits, believe me, you want to be called.*

*Hand histories have revealed that I have been called down with the nut low.

scotnt73 03-29-2004 10:39 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
if it has to have the word "tasteful" to describe it then it probably isnt

1800GAMBLER 03-29-2004 10:46 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Something to the effect of 'My edge comes from playing better cards than my opponents.' - Bob Ciaffone on NL.

Online NL (100BB stacks) could really be beaten so simply by just playing AA KK QQ for force and every other pocket for sets.

spamuell 03-29-2004 10:48 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Although this isn't a direct poker quote, it certainly applies to poker:

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

I don't know where this quote originates from, but there's nothing more important than game selection in poker. Of course, at the moment game selection is not so crucial as many games are beatable.

Sloats 03-29-2004 11:36 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Everyone thinks they good at sex and poker. Few are good at either.

NLfool 03-29-2004 11:44 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
I like Jay's quote because it is so true but I know Jay doesn't play like that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

In online low NL (500 or less) way overbetting the nuts is not a mistake.

Never slow play NL online

Don't get committed with bottom 2 pair in NL

In NL having a maniac to your left is a good thing (ie he does the betting gets cold calls from non believers and you can pop it when it gets back to you, lots of dead money)

Don't chase too many draws with paired boards NL or limit

late in tourneys don't play to move up the ladder

Don't go to war with JJ or 1010 in NL, limit, or tourney



Mikey 03-29-2004 11:50 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"No set. No bet." -T.J. Cloutier

Cipher 03-29-2004 02:11 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
1)If tight beats loose and aggressive beats passive, why would you ever choose to play against people who are tighter and more aggresive than you?

2)let the cards come to you

Joe Tall 03-29-2004 03:08 PM

3 Quotes from a Foxwoods Regular
 
"My pops said, 'You have to learn to make money the hard way, you have to earn it.'
So I started playing poker."

After dragging a small pot:
"You can't go broke makin' a profit!"

And my all time favorite:
"Weather your rich or poor, it sure feels good to have a lot of money."

-Al London, 79 yr old, Foxwoods regular

Peace,
Joe Tall

Joe Tall 03-29-2004 03:17 PM

Staying of Tilt is critical.
 
Tilt clouds you thinking. There is no reason to dwell on the past when the decision is in front of you. You put yourself in -EV situations when on tilt or have clouded thought.

When you are running bad, it's even more crucial to stay away from tilt.

This is why I have brought myself to believe that bad beats are not 'bad' they are good. You should truely understand what brings you a bad beat and how your opponent loses money making such calls. The more you understand and practice this the easier it will become.

With some help from Homer you can learn more by reading this: Enjoy a Bad Beat

Now if I could only stop beating myself up for missing bets, I'd have real clear thinking. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Peace,
Joe Tall

CCass 03-29-2004 05:45 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"Bring the big guns to the big wars!"

I know Hellmuth says this, but it makes a lot of sense in NL games. Rare is the time that I am willing to risk my entire stack (or a least a good portion of it) on a hand that is potentially the 2nd or 3rd best hand.

J.A.Sucker 03-29-2004 08:20 PM

Fold early, Call late. n/m
 

haakee 03-29-2004 08:35 PM

Agree!
 
That's exactly what I tell newbies when I can only give them one piece of advice as well.

bigpooch 03-29-2004 09:07 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
"Concentrate on everything when you're playing". Guess who
wrote that?

Then, once you determine how a player thinks, he might as
well be playing with most of his hands face up!

jdl22 03-29-2004 11:33 PM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
If you aren't sure...
- preflop whether to fold or call fold
- preflop whether to call or raise raise
- on the flop whether to bet or check-raise check-raise
- ditto for turn
- on the river whether to fold or call call
- on the river whether to check or bet bet

My problem is this:
Saying is one thing, doing another.

Dylan Wade 03-30-2004 01:40 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Sell stuff on ebay if you can't afford being a fishy

Catch of the Day 03-30-2004 08:25 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
HAHAHAHAHAH

Catch of the Day 03-30-2004 08:35 AM

Re: what\'s your poker wisdom?
 
Alright, I got one for all the cultured people out there...

"Was mich nicht umbrinct, macht mich starker!" -Ben Franklin, OOPS! I mean -Nietze

Foriegn Language for 1000 Alex? Any guesses?

Hint: It could be applied directly toward Bad-beats...Just ask JT about his "Good Beats."

Catch-


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