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MzLisa 01-22-2004 06:51 PM

is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
hi all,

I have got to be the most unluckiest person in poker. If i have AA and raise with them, sure nuff they lose. If i have Ak and raise with it no ace or king comes, and i dont even chase them.

If i have a four card striaght, my fifth card will not come.
If i have a four card flush, (high one too) the fifth card will not come.

If i have 2 pair, someone flops a striaght.
Today i have a straight and someone with J6 off got a full house.

to put it simply, i am an unlucky person. My cards may hit one day really good, and i may make 150 bucks easy in a 1-2 game. But u know what that may not happen again for at least a week and a half. None of my cards will hit. That puts me on a serious tilt. This sucks.

I dont know if its the limits, cuz its no foldem holdem or what. But i do know that on one occassion i remember losing AA to an A9 off.

I also remember losing with jacks 3 times in one day.

I also i remember having a decent bankroll, lol.

this sucks man, a buddy on here who is a really good player and won lots and lots of money recently told me to just wait and get some money together and play 3-6 cuz the lower limits are too shaky. I dont know, poker is starting to drain me honestly. There is really no formula to sucess when every one calls every thing and ur cards dont come and when they do they get busted by lucky bad players #1,2 and 3.

Pot odds dont matter when ur cards dont come, its just another way to lose more money.

Am i having a bad player's rant?? I dont know, i play like Mr. sklansky's book tells me too. So what is a girl to do??

i dont know, i need help.

William 01-22-2004 06:55 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
I could tell you a lot a girl's got to do [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] but in your case, poker it appears, is not one of them.

Hang in there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

MzLisa 01-22-2004 07:26 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
u know, i was watching party poker million II last night and i saw the guy who won second, play the most rediculous hands, and when he beat that lady out, i just felt that was a very bad beat for her. These people who play with crap, Layne Flack being one of them, seem to be the luckiest MF-ers ive ever seen. They make bad play look good.

I just dont know about this poker thing, the line is too crooked, you can have the best training in the world, but nothing will protecting you from losing a couple bankrolls. I think thats why most pro players end up broke.

uuDevil 01-22-2004 08:01 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
MzLisa,

There certainly are people who have been luckier than others (lottery winners). And some who have been less lucky (got hit by a truck). But except for the dead guy, there's no way to extrapolate into the future. Seems like even lottery winners end up getting ripped off at strip clubs or something.

As long as you have somewhere near average luck and play good poker, you will win eventually. If you feel your style and temperament really are better suited to higher limits you may want to try it (provided you have the bankroll). But it doesn't sound like you're in a good frame of mind to do that. Maybe it would be better to take a break for a while-- just study and make sure you really are playing right for the games you are in. Go get 'em when you feel more confident.

This post might help:

Homer's views on streaks

Good Luck!

fluff 01-23-2004 01:29 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
Poker is not for everyone. Maybe it's time to face up to that?

Henke 01-23-2004 05:15 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
If you have AK preflop, you'll only flop an A or a K about 1/3 of the time. Same goes for 4-str8 and 4-flush. It's not bad luck, it's a statistical fact. If you believe you are unlucky, get pokertracker. Once you've gotten AK more than a hundred times, check how often you'll have flopped the A or the K.
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this sucks man, a buddy on here who is a really good player and won lots and lots of money recently told me to just wait and get some money together and play 3-6 cuz the lower limits are too shaky.

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Well, the variance for a skilled player is probably a bit higher if the unit is nr of bets! Somehow, I still doubt that the variance in terms of $$ should be lower at 3-6.
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I dont know, poker is starting to drain me honestly. There is really no formula to sucess when every one calls every thing and ur cards dont come and when they do they get busted by lucky bad players #1,2 and 3.

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I think there is, play solid poker. Of course, there's variance in hold'em, and hence you won't allways win. BUT you wouldn't win neither if "bad players #1,2,3" weren't in the game.

LetsRock 01-23-2004 11:19 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
This game can be very cruel. We all go through stretches where the cards appear to prove the math "wrong". It's not fun. For some of us it's torture.

As much as I understand your desire to move up in limits hoping to play against "real" players, I'd advise you learn to deal with the wrath of the poker gods while you're still at low limits. How are you going to feel when these stretches (and you'll get these stretches at higher limits to) cost you $2000 instead of $300? (I don't know the extent of your streak - just trying to make a point.)

If this painful stretch of rotten luck is unbearable, I would seriously consider finding another hobby or part time job or whatever poker is in your life. Or at least take a break. It's very possible that you've been pummeled so much lately that you're afraid to play some of your hands correctly (ie raise) and are partially repsonsible for your own bad luck. It's not hard to get gunshy when the cards don't cooperate.


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But i do know that on one occassion i remember losing AA to an A9 off.

I also remember losing with jacks 3 times in one day.


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It's funny how we can only seem to remember the awful beats. Even we "better" players have our share of nonsense luck, but we choose to implant the beats into our memory banks. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are playing correctly, the cards will turn around and you'll have a monster winning session. Dwell on THAT session to help boost your confidence, forget all the times when you get tough beats. It's hard, but maybe you can look at those hands like they're a deposit for the future; "I lost $10 on that beat, but next time I get in this spot I'm gonna win $30."

Have you read "The TAO of Poker" or the poker "Zen" (forget the actual title) book? I just finished the TAO book and it's full of juicy little nuggets to help remind ourselves that "THIS" hand has no real meaning other than it contributes to the lifelong poker session.

Remember that poker success is about making good decisions on EVERY action; it's not about dragging every pot we "deserve". If you are making correct decisions the "luck" will turn around in the long run. Review you plays and make sure that you are making the correct decisions. If you are, keep at it. If you find that you are making some mistakes, work on fixing the leaks.

Again, if you can't deal with the concept of poker being a "long run" game, then stop fighting it. It's not worth the grief.

Sam T. 01-23-2004 11:41 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
To underline and expand upon a point that Henke made, as much as we love to see pocket aces, they get cracked more often than we like. (Jones says 1/3 of the time, I think, but it could be 2/3.) But the rest of the time they don't, we take down the pot from some fish betting his pair of tens, and then we forget the hand ever happened. It's when we lose that it sticks with us.

I'm happy to be corrected on the subject of pocket jacks, but I've become increasingly skeptical of their value in a low-limit game. When players hang on with Ax down to garbage like Q7, there are twelve cards out there that can beat you. It doesn't make the game better or worse, but it does change the way we have to play.

Still the Spank E 01-23-2004 12:21 PM

No. Furthermore...
 
Your friend's advice is solid--the lower the limits, the more mindless chasing. Everyone assures me (I've posted a similarly-themed rant here) that you really should learn the reading skills (and other multi-way play tools) developed at the low levels, and that without them the move to, say, 3/6 (or higher) is no picnic. Lots of 3/6 tables are just like this, too. When you're better able to sense when your big pairs are beaten, and when you're getting in (cheaply) with hands that play better in these kinds of games (i.e., suited connectors, particularly) and learning how to win with them, you'll be well-equipped to beat games at higher levels. I'm in the very same situation you describe, playing 2/4 at the Taj every weekend. Sometimes I win, sometimes I get beaten by the army of calling stations, but everyone here at 2+2 assures me that, with time and practice, the (highly necessary) skills come. And they have been, for me. If you're playing at a REALLY low limits (.25/.50), this battle may continue forever, because it's hard to imagine EVER getting ANYONE to EVER fold ANY hand it only costs .50 to call. Take $100 to a 2/4 table and take your lumps like I'm doing. I'm making progress and feel convinced that you will too (see my posts in the beginners' forum). DON'T GIVE UP and don't stop learning!

LetsRock 01-23-2004 02:10 PM

Re: No. Furthermore...
 
I agree in general with what you say. There will tend to be fewer fish per table as you move up. But there always be fish.

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If you're playing at a REALLY low limits (.25/.50), this battle may continue forever, because it's hard to imagine EVER getting ANYONE to EVER fold ANY hand it only costs .50 to call.

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True, but this calling station mentality is not strictly limited to very low limits. It's a character trait, not a limit traight. As spank says, you need to learn how to recognize when this tool (betting to take down the pot uncontested) will not work so you don't waste lots of bets counting on it to work.

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DON'T GIVE UP

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I can't agree with this statement 100%. I beleive that most people can learn to play this game profitably with just a little work and patience. That doesn't mean that most everybody should. I'm not telling you to quit, but it is possible that you don't have the personal make-up to handle the long term "fairness" of the game and you may just really be better off finding other ways to fulfill your life. The game appears very unfair at times, and for those of us who thrive on "fairness" and immediate reward for proper play (I suffer from this affliction) can suffer severe emotional swings when the game is being unkind.

Personal "victory" story:
I am working very hard on remembering the "long term" aspect of the game and not getting caught up in the short term rotten breaks. I had a session this week that was pure nonsense; nothing held up, I couldn't catch a draw, blah, blah, blah. I dropped 25 BB in 3 hours. I didn't like it one bit, but I patted myself on the back for just rolling with it and chalking it up to one of those nights. This seems stupid, but it's a bit of a breakthrough for me. Keeping solid stats helps; I noticed that this bad session reduced my hourly wage by only $.15. So that's all it did, lowered my "salary" from $10.65/hr to $10.50/hr for the month to date.

Seeing things from this angle, really helps to ease the blow of a few bad sessions.

If I couldn't find a way to deal with the short term uglies I would have to give it up because it goes beyond game tilt - I go on life tilt and that can't be good.

Does it affect you that severely? Find a way to deal with it or quit. It ain't worth it.

Ray Zee 01-23-2004 05:20 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
most people that are hard luck misperceive things. they lose because of bad playing and remember selectively. review your playing. many times tight players lose because they start with good hands but play them poorly. like going too far or not raising out the third player who puts them in the middle or such stuff. i sispect you get into too many pots becasuse you like action and lose because of that and put the blame on the good hands that went down. losing with jacks three times in a loose game is the expected outcome with this hand. good luck.

racingspider 01-23-2004 05:48 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
Hiya MzLisa. I remember seeing you yesterday on PartyPoker. Your play, as I recall was pretty good, you seemed to be making the right decisions. It was only play money, and your play seemed fine.
If you want to boost your confidence, play a home game. Gather some friends and such and try some nickel and dime. That can be a real boost in ego [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Anyway, practice, practice, practice. The fact that you are here getting advice puts you above many players. You've recognized something isn't working right and you've started the self-evaluation. You'll find out what it is soon enough I think.

JPNet 01-23-2004 08:05 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
I posted a similar story a few weeks ago and got some very good advice, some pointers to some other posts etc. that really helped.

I have had those sessions where I get pocket KKs 6 times in 4 hours and lose every one, usually to someone who cold called 2 or 3 bets with a 46o and made a str8.

I think the single most important thing that I learned here was that these streaks happen to everybody, no matter how good a player you are.

However, I also got some replies that caused me to think about my game and whether I was really playing as well as I thought I was. I took a couple of days off, re-read WLLH, and TOP and read more of the posts here.

A couple of the posters commented that if you can't "Crush" the micro limit tables, over a longer timeframe than a few sessions, you are going to get killed at the higher limits. The specific advice was to start at .05/.10, .10/.20, .25/.50 and try to double your bankroll before moving up and to make sure you had the 300bb bankroll for the level you are going to play at. In a nutshell, move down, not up, until your confidence returns, you have reflected on your skills, and you have built your bankroll. When you do move up a level, and your bankroll gets thin, move down until you build it back up.

When I review the long term, which isn't all that long for me, it helps to realize that even though I haven't played above .25/.50, and even though I have had some of those frustrating stretches where I lose 30-50BB in a session to 92o etc., I remember that overall I am up a couple hundred dollars, and I am learning, and improving, without putting large amounts of money at risk. Plenty of time to move up later when I am better prepared.

MzLisa 01-23-2004 08:46 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
hi there Ray Zee, and every one else

I have been looking at my stats more recently in my real money games and here is an example of one:

Ok on a pretty good day,
My % of flops seen are 30%
My % of flops won are 38%.

Bad day:
% of flops seen 20%
% win was like 28%

This was just two of the days i remeber that about my stats.

I dont think i see too too many flops, I play group 1-2 hands according to Holdem book, in any post. and raise.

I play KJ, late pos.
I play AJ raise in LP, i will call in MP too.
AQ same as AJ
9-10 LP, if im dead last i will raise.
QJ, trouble hand i play very carefully in MP or LP
I dont play many suited connectors Im trying to wait till I get better at the game.( so thats no 5-6,7-8 and stuff like that)
KQ non suited, i call in EP but will fold a raise to a solid player.

I try to keep it simple, i have stopped playing J9 cuz its proven unprofitable for me.

I may add 7-8 in lp though to mix my game up. and thats about it.

As for raising to get someone out the game, HA!!! they dont fold they will never fold.

N4CER1 01-24-2004 03:08 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
Ya here in Oregon we call it the hillbilly factor...If you get 6-8 callers in most pots you will need to get lucky, because a pair usually won't hold up...some Hillbilly draws out on you. It would be best for you to take $10.00 to $25.00 (low limit) and put into a Pot limit game like at Party Poker...These games only get 1-3 callers per hand and you hands will stand up like they should...In Oregon if will say a live game has 7 bad players in it it is a H7 game.....for 7 Hillbilly's.....Even the best pro canot beat a game with 7-8 callers in each hand that you get in low limit.....Good luck in Pot Limit.............

John Ho 01-24-2004 07:47 AM

The secret is here
 
If you have read all the books and think you understand them and are still losing money at low limit tables for any significant period of time you need to either 1) reread the books thoroughly or 2) give up because you have no talent for the game

Those low limit games are so easy to beat that if you lose 500 bucks or so playin 2-4 or 3-6 you might wanna give up. Just one man's opinion.

I don't care how many people are chasing. When you have AK or AQ and flop top pair you should bet all the way and expect to scoop a huge pot a good % of the time. But don't call 2 bets cold on the turn anytime unless you have at least 2 pair or a pair + nut flush draw. Otherwise, with no pair fold on the flop but with the nut flush draw raise a multiplayer pot for deception/value or with AK you can call till the river with 2 overcards to a gutshot straight otherwise OUT on the flop. Low limit games are like atms that dispense small amounts of money. Just grind it out with big cards and pairs and don't gamble with marginal hands.

Trust me I used to crush those games. It is easy but takes loads more discipline than most people have. You never make fancy plays and are mechanical. But your success at poker is measured by how much money you win. Nothing else matters...thus you must find a way to win money no matter how boring it is unless you want to be a fish. When you get good at the low limit games you can move up and then the real fun starts. You can make money and have lots of mental stimulation playing poker. It only gets better as you move up. But only if you have proven you can win at lower levels.

Of course there is nothing wrong with playing for fun. Just don't expect to win money consistently.

PS - Lisa I saw the magic word in your post - "tilt." If you tilt either learn to control it or find another hobby. People who tilt consistently can't beat any poker game. Perhaps tournament play would suit you better if you can not control your tilt. In the last 5 years I have gone on tilt (I define a tilt as lasting at least 1 hour) 2 times and each time it cost me at least $2000 at 20-40. Assuming you are a good 20-40 player making 2 big bets an hour on average you see that one 2-4 hour tilt session takes about 24 hours to make back.

John Ho 01-24-2004 08:03 AM

No
 
Sorry normally I don't criticize other people's posts since all opinions are welcome but your post is wrong. To say a good pro much less an above averageplayer can't beat a game with 7-8 players on every flop is the worst message you can give to beginners. If one can't beat a game where 5 people after the turn aren't getting right odds to chase the best hand but do it anyways then no game can be beat! If you are playing a 3-6 game with a $3 rake you actually need more players in the hands because in tight games the rake will eat you alive over the long run. More bad players=more expectation for the good players.

gamboolman 01-25-2004 02:24 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
Miss Liza,
All I play is the microlimits, and poorly at that !! In my opinion at the lowest limits it is very common to experience 200 BB negative swings. Remember these are the beginning levels for poker players and are full of humungous shoals of fish, and also a lot of people who just want to play for fun, and thus will chase. So when it seems that the Chasers From Hell have been running you down and beating up on you, they probably have been. Play tight and try to avoid e-tilt. E-Tilt is a terrible condition, and I am a charter member of my local ETA chapter. It is quite a sight to see all of us busted out computer railbirds cussing/discussing our latest bad beats at our weekly meetings. We are all recovering Etiltalholics, and will be for life. Microlimits prove that chaos theory is a fact.
Hang in there and remember -200 BB's ain't nothing but a thang!! Don't mean nuthin!!

umdpoker 01-25-2004 03:36 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
yes, of course there is such a thing as an unlucky person. everything in the world has some sort of distribution. there are people that have more stuff go right for them. this is no excuse to not work though, because n the long run, you should end up having the same luck as the next guy. so if you play a million hands with the same skill as guy#2, you should be close in amount of win or loss. however, it will not likely be the exact same amount. using the formula for normal distribution, i am sure that out of the billions on earth, there is one person that could play well forever and still lose. the good news is that you are probably not that guy.

daryn 01-25-2004 06:07 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
i have around 25,000 hands in pokertracker and my aces hold up around 80% of the time. to say that they get cracked 2/3 of the time is just complete nonsense

MzLisa 01-25-2004 09:01 PM

Re: No
 
To tell me not to call a raise on the turn i believe is stupid, most of them who raise will raise u will a horrible kicker, not 2 pair, they dont seem to raise with that.

for example at Pokkeroom:

I had AJ of clubs on the button, there was no raise before me so i raised. Ok 2 callers.

Flop: A rags
1st person bets, other calls i raise.
She re-raises me, i cap.

Fourth street: rag
Then she checks, so does the other person, so i bet,
she raised me again. I said what the... not straight poss. here though so i call.

River: a 3

she bets, other call, i call,

she had A3.

She raised and re-raised me with A little like i knew she was.

I see that all the time, and to say not to call a raise in those situations i think is stupid, especially when u know how they play.

THis is the luck of mz lisa, lol

Still the Spank E 01-26-2004 11:22 AM

Re: No
 
You've got to know that when you're playing against a tableful of callers that they're usually withstanding your chip storm because they've caught SOMETHING. Even had the river not given the hand's eventual victor a really lousy-feeling win, playing these hands this aggressively is going to let you in for danger. I've had better success by checking it down in the face of people calling my flop raises and running when anyone bets if I still haven't caught anything (unless the raiser is one of the rare aggressive type found at the low limit tables). This is not to say that I consider this the rule--it has to do with my read of the opponents--but you CAN'T keep playing overcards like they're made hands AFTER a number several players have failed to be scared off by your raise. This time it was someone who caught on the river; I bet it's more often people who have ALREADY caught some little pair and that they are hoping can be turned either into two pair or trips by the time all the cards are out. Look for more straight and flush opportunities you can play cheaply (there's an amazing number of them at these levels) and don't bet other people's hands for them anymore. The GOOD thing about these tables is that your oponents are usually going to play loose, passively and weakly, so they're going to let you in with connectors and small pairs and you need to play them--though not past any flop that hasn't hit your hand HARD. You MIGHT OCCASSIONALLY look to take your 44 past the flop if you think you can win the pot right there, or there are enough callers that another small bet buys you a shot at a HUGE pot; otherwise--DITCH 'EM! Connectors--suited or otherwise--are even easier to play. Either you find yourself one card away from a straight or flush once the flop comes down--OR YOU'RE GONE! Fight hard against the impulse to chase here, too!

Still the Spank E 01-26-2004 12:01 PM

And not only that...
 
I got thrown off the computer I was on when writing the previous post, but wanted to say more stuff (if you're interested), so here goes.

As I suspected, one of your reply posts demonstrates that you're NOT making aggregious errors in hand selection or other stuff, and that the assumptions some other poster had made (including Ray Zee!) were not really the source of the problem. From all of your posts you seemed to be saying that you HAVE read and understood the standard poker literature and that you were playing poker appropriate to the kind of competition those books (Sklansky, Brunson, Malmuth, et. al.) are intended to address. The problem is that it's a different kind of table of opponents at the low levels, and the only book I hear repeatedly cited as a source for how to play them is Lee Jones' "Winning Low Limit Hold 'em." And while I really like the book, it is through experience that you're going to figure out these low limit tables. The best thing WLLHE affords the reader, by the way, is a near-catalog of pitfalls to avoid falling into if you've read the standard texts on hold 'em. The best teacher, as I said, is going to be experimenting with these hands that play well in multi-way pots (you should look for all info relating to such hands in Sklansky, Brunson, Malmuth, Jones, et. al.). Your posts demonstrate that you get it, not that you don't; it's just that there's not a lot of direct information on these kinds of games. Go do it and then show the rest of us how its done. Thanks for listening.

brian0729 01-26-2004 05:47 PM

Dont post a rant here
 
MsLiza,

I am not going to take the time to address the rant. There are is a lot of luck in the short term of this game and very little in the long term. It is as simple as that.

What is not as simple as that are some of your statements. I looked at your starting requirements from one of your earlier posts. This game is not a cookie cutter game. You cannot have a list of hands in front of you and decide I will play this hand in this spot, period. Any playable hand can usually be called or raised depending on position and more importantly the opponents. Figuring out when and why takes time and expereince and table hours.

Your friend who says save some money and play 3/6 is dead wrong, he may be a decent player but this is incorrect. If you cant beat these micro games you will not be successfull at any higher level. Simple as that again , sorry.

Finally if you want to take your game to a new level, I would highly suggest posting some actual hands in the micro limits forum rather than complain here. I think the AJ hand was played rather poorly and your decision to have to raise instead of auto raising from the button w AJo first in shows that you need some work on your game. Also after you (the pre flop raiser) gets 3 bet on the flop you have to slow down in most cases.

I am not trying to sound condescending, Im really not but if you want to get better you have to work at it and forget about being the most unlucky person in the world.

John Ho 01-27-2004 04:06 AM

Reading skills need work honey
 
First off, you say people will raise with top pair lousy kicker but not 2 pair. That does not make sense. And second, you need to reread my post. I said not to call raises cold on the turn. That is, if you're playing 3-6 don't call 12 cold unless you have at least 2 pair. Do you know what "cold calling" means? Betting 6 and getting checkraised is different. Then you are only calling 6 more. You shouldn't always call...but people do weird things. If you're wondering why those are different it's because by calling 2 bets cold you open yourself to a reraise from the initial bettor plus you have to worry about 2 players showing strength rather than the 1 who checkraised you. Plus lots of checkraises in multiway pots are flush or straight draws perhaps with overcard outs hoping to build a big pot.

Honestly, I think you need to do something else with your time. Or at least stop being a fool about poker and admitting you don't know everything or frankly even much. If you read all your poker books like you read my post you are not getting much benefit from them. Hmmm...now that I think of it maybe you're just a troll. Hard to believe anyone can be this dense.

John Ho 01-27-2004 04:08 AM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
Well they are playing microlimit with lots of players to a flop. No way aces hold up 80% of the time over a longer period of time. You have to be an aberration. Because playing pocket aces vs. pocket 10s heads up is about 80% for the aces. If there are more players your percentage will go down no matter what.

John Ho 01-27-2004 04:09 AM

By the way
 
Do you realize this hand you posted is JUST ONE HAND? Also, do you know the odds of someone holding A3 vs. your AJ with an Ace on the flop beating you by the river? The A3 is an underdog but not so much getting rivered should make you hysterical.

BigBaitsim (milo) 01-27-2004 05:02 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
There is no such thing as an "unlucky person." Random events occur randomly. Over tens of thousands of hands, you and Gus Hanson will be dealt almost exactly the same hands.

Over the short term, or in terms of events with less frequency, sometimes statistical clusters occur, but these are meaningless. I remember a factory a few years back that closed down after 7 or 8 employees were all diagnosed with cancers within a few months. After a great deal of epidemiological research, it was found that there was no link whatsoever, and that statistical models would predict such an occurance at some factory, somewhere in the US, given normal variability in cancer occurrence.

If you have a crappy day, you have a crappy day. If you are a consistent loser over tens of thousands of hands, you are just a bad poker player. Sorry.

FredJones888 01-27-2004 05:03 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
there is a heck of a lot luck in low limit texas holdem, more than many people would like to admit.

Drunk Bob 01-27-2004 07:14 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
NO everyone has the same luck over the long run.Unfortunally the long run can be a long time.

Give the micro limits a try.

I did.

Ilovephysics 01-27-2004 07:23 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
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Seems like even lottery winners end up getting ripped off at strip clubs or something.

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I don't know why, but that put a smile on my face. When someone draws a flush on a hand I properly gave them incorrect odds to do so with, I'll remember this quote.

uuDevil 01-27-2004 09:50 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
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Seems like even lottery winners end up getting ripped off at strip clubs or something.

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I don't know why, but that put a smile on my face. When someone draws a flush on a hand I properly gave them incorrect odds to do so with, I'll remember this quote.

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Ilovephysics 01-30-2004 02:19 PM

Re: is there a such thing as an unlucky person???
 
Seriously, who puts $545,000 in a briefcase?


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