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10-20 online river bet - easy or dumb?
These 10-20 PartyPoker 6-max tables are weird. The level of play (in terms of skill, hand selection, etc.) is like the lowest of limits. The level of aggression (thin turn 3-bets, frequent river bluff raises, etc.) is like the highest of limits. Very confusing sometimes.
Anyway, here's one... I raise [ Kc, Kh ] UTG MP, Button, and SB call. ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2s, 9h, 5d ] I bet. MP raises. Button calls. SB folds. I 3-bet. Both call. ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ] How can they have a deuce? I bet, both call. I like it. ** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ] Hmmmm.... I have pocket Kings, dammit! I bet. Feel free to put my opponents on hands if you care to. You will not get it right, though. |
Re: 10-20 online river bet - easy or dumb?
A6-T sooted and KK [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] and 75s
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Re: 10-20 online river bet - easy or dumb?
Glenn and I have a running joke that a 2 or a 3 on the river at Party is considered a scare card, because they always have a hand like A2 or K3s and chase with their overcards. At stars a 2 or a 3 seems to be a safe card. So, if I ever post a Party hand and say a blank hit on the river, what I really mean is that it was an ace, king, queen, jack, or ten. . .
Bet the river and call a raise. |
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Good bet. And since you said I could guess there hands, I'm gonna give it a shot. One had 76s for the gutshot, backdoor flush draw. The other had QQ. And you said I wouldn't get it. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
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Re: 10-20 online river bet - easy or dumb?
Looks like a fine river value bet to me.
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my guess A2s and A5s or the button has 52s.
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if these guys are so agressive, how about inducing a bluff instead? you don't get raised when you're beat, and they're gonna give you a bet with the few hands with which they would've actually folded to a river bet.
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If your KK is the best hand and you bet, you win 1 bet from each caller. On average that will probably be somewhere between 1 and 2 bets. If you check, neither of them will bluff and you'll win nothing.
If your KK is beaten by someone and you bet, you'll get raised. Then you lose 2 bets assuming you call the raise. If you check you lose 1 bet when you call. So, if you have the best hand, you gain between 1 and 2 bets by betting, but if you don't, you lose 1 bet. Considering that the chances that you have the best hand appear to be well over 40%, you should make the easy bet. This is clear cut because you are first to act. If you had the button the risk/reward would be far different. |
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I like to bet the river with my overpair when there are two pair on the board. I might be beat, but I know I'm gonna get called down by any crap ace.
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Results
I bet. Both opponents called.
Q9o and 77. Nice. |
Re: Results
Great games, eh? Beats the playing the regular cardrooms.
One thing I like about online play is that the other players can't pick up my "tells." Overall, my results are better online. |
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Glenn and I have a running joke that a 2 or a 3 on the river at Party is considered a scare card, because they always have a hand like A2 or K3s and chase with their overcards. [/ QUOTE ] Hey Glen, I could not help but laugh after a hand I just played on party. Made me think of this post. UTG open-raises, one coldcaller, I three-bet with AK, button calls, raiser and caller call. Flop is 45K. I bet all call. Turn is 9 rainbow. I bet all call. river is a 2. I think about your post but bet anyway. Button raises folded back to me, I call. Button has 22. -Diplomat |
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i play party all the time and know it's crazyness. I put on guy on 89 and the other on A2 or 45, maybe even 24
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Narrowly avoided disaster
I should pay more attention to you guys w/ online experience.
Party 10/20 6-max. Idiot open-raises UTG. He has been running REALLY good. Folded to me on the button. I 3-bet w/ 88. Blinds fold. * Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 3h, 6s ] He checks. I like my hand a lot. I bet, he calls. I love my hand. ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7d ] Check, bet, call. He could have a lot of stuff. I hope for a small card on the river. Maybe a black deuce or trey. ** Dealing River ** : [ 8c ] OK, that'll do. Good for him if he made a straight. Check, bet, call. I win. So, curious, I get the hand history. What did he have? 2c3c. Of course. I definitely need to quit hoping for deuces and treys on the river. |
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These 10-20 PartyPoker 6-max tables are weird. The level of play (in terms of skill, hand selection, etc.) is like the lowest of limits. The level of aggression (thin turn 3-bets, frequent river bluff raises, etc.) is like the highest of limits. Very confusing sometimes. [/ QUOTE ] Tell me about it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. A couple of questions: 1) How would you have played Q9 after the flop? Check/call the way this guy did? My guess is he put you on AK (or, at least, prayed you had AK). The guy with 77 was clearly hoping against hope . . . 2) What criteria do you use for starting hand selection? I'm voluntarily putting in $$ around 35% of the time pf. That's probably a little high on a really loose-aggressive table, though. |
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