Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

It involves some member(s) here, (ok I admit it, I was being a silent railbird fanboi for zeebo and duck). I have an idea who badvoodoo might be but I don't want to speculate publicly.

Anyway, here's the hand. I'm curious of your calling range here if you're in BadVooDoo's shoes.

BadVoodoo ( $2375.50 ) UTG+1
beringsea ( $1338 ) MP1
fslexcduck ( $3876 ) MP2

1 fold, BadVoodoo raises [$70], beringsea calls [$70], fslexcduck calls [$70], rest fold.

Flop ($240) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BadVoodoo bets [$170].
beringsea calls [$170].
fslexcduck raises [$2000].

What's do you think duck's range is here? What do you need to call if you're badvoodoo? or beringsea?

I apologize in advance if this is boring.

Thanks,

KoW

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

1st instinct - T + flush draw
2nd instinct - set

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

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1st instinct - T + flush draw
2nd instinct - set

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another possibility is A2s, A4s, 76s, 46s, though I'm not sure how loose fslecktehduck is preflop. It's basically around 50/50 or way behind
edit: maybe KK too? Not sure exactly what her range is. Call range is probably sets and 2 pair? AA/KK is clooooooooose....hmmm MAYBE fsleckcksduck has AKs too?

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

What's it take for you guys to call?

KoW

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

Just FYI, beringsea is very loose (40+ VPIP), not very aggressive, and is generally just bad. Which likely had quite a bit to do with how both players played the hand.

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

duck would do this with a set, flush draw, 2 pair and maybe even 1 pair if she thinks villan is a puss. Very hard to guess the exact ahnd since range is so wide.

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

No decent player would ever call this bet with less than a set

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

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No decent player would ever call this bet with less than a set

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You could call the allin with a good flush draw (AKs, Txs, A2s, A4s) if you felt like gambling.

I think it would be a pretty easy call with AA.

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

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No decent player would ever call this bet with less than a set

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lol.

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

I'm definitely calling with Tx[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Ax[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and obviously a set.

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

if i was psychic id prob say duck had something like Qs9s and BadVoodoo has like As4s... and then the river of course would come Jx, Jx no spade and ace high would take down a 5k pot [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] haha

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

Top or middle set.

Re: Interesting (?) observed hand, Party 2k
 

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1st instinct - T + flush draw
2nd instinct - set

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another possibility is A2s, A4s, 76s, 46s, though I'm not sure how loose fslecktehduck is preflop. It's basically around 50/50 or way behind
edit: maybe KK too? Not sure exactly what her range is. Call range is probably sets and 2 pair? AA/KK is clooooooooose....hmmm MAYBE fs
leckcksduck has AKs too?

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I don't put him on AA or KK with his pre-flop call.

RESULTS
 

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No decent player would ever call this bet with less than a set

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If duck makes this move with hands that have outs against a set (IE flush draw), i suspect that would mean her bet is hugely +EV.

Even if we extend the calling range to 2pair, it's pretty tough to make 2 pair on this flop given preflop action.

As for the results, as someone else in the thread who spilled the beans (thanks buddy), duck had Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and BadVooDoo called her down with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

The turn and river blanked and A high takes the ~5k pot. Afterwards duck mentioned that's exactly where she put him and didn't think he could call. He said her range there was huge. Maybe it is, (and it should be) if she's only going to get called by sets.

Pretty interesting I thought.

Additional Comments?

KoW

Re: RESULTS
 

IMO, its a pretty easy call with A4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Re: RESULTS
 

yeah, fwiw, it is a pretyt easy call with A4s... I think it is tougher with just the nut flush draw and no additional outs. I think this just comes down to knowing your players better... in general given the action and what I knew of the guy in the middle, I thought this play was +EV (but it might not have been if his calling range extended to all overpairs) but badvoodoo knew me and outthought me and that's that... it's just a read based thing in general and with at least 12 nut outs, it's definitely an insta call.

Re: RESULTS
 

i think this was discussed in another thread, but when calling an all in from a player whose range consists of set + draws (including some sketchy draws), it is clearly much better to have a draw than an overpair.

Re: RESULTS
 

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and with at least 12 nut outs, it's definitely an insta call.

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I agree with your post, but he obviously does not have 12 nut outs. And you know what they say about bluffing a bad player...