ehh, Party 100-200
 

donkey limps in in Hijack, regular party 1-2 player raises in SB, I am in BB with A9o, I call, donk calls

flop 10-5-2 rainbow, sb bets I raise ...

comments ? if you like what do I do to a flop 3 bet ? or do I follow thru on turn and or river ? if you dont like do I fold preflop ? 3 bet preflop ? or fold to flop bet ?

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

I'm going to be in the vast minority on this one, but I fold to the flop bet. I put the SB on a small to middle pair. The fact that there is another player, as weak as he may be, changes the hand whereby I think you have to pitch it.

TSP

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

would it make a difference of the limping donkey was a checking poster ???

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

I fold to the flop bet too, but I don't necessairly put him on a middle pair - he could have realtive dust to a typical sb raise since the limper was a donkey, or a monster; I don't think it really matters. . . why do you think you will be in the vast minority on this one?

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

I think I would rather 3 bet preflop than take this line.

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

Big time. Then I would 3-bet preflop and lead on the flop. being able to get the donk's dead $ out of the hand preflop while taking control over the SB has major advantages, IMO.

TSP

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

Well, I figured that most would say 3 bet or fold pre-flop.

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

lol, get the donkeys dead money in and get him out preflop ...

most donkeys just open limp then fold after they have already decided they have nice hand to see a flop with

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood your post. I thought instead of a limping donk we now have a posting checker.

Or, maybe I have no clue how to play, which is entirely possible! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

TSP

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

Sorry TSP, we do have a limping donkey, I was just wondering if the line would be better if instead of a limping donkey we had a poster that decided to check his option.

The reason I posted this hand is because I was talking to friend that plays these games and beats them and he hates my line. I like being told that my line sucks, as long as there is some rational to it.

I feel there is a decent chance I have the best hand on this flop, I hate calling because this entices limping donkey to call along, now I have no idea where I am if SB leads the turn. I for one know I will raise KQ from the SB in this spot and follow thru on the turn if the BB and limping donkey just call (peel) on the flop.

I think a fold is better than a call, but I think I can define my hand with a raise and see if I have the best hand.

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

Raising the flop is certainly better than calling, and I do believe there is a decent chance you have the best hand. I would make it about even money against the SB, and 75% against the donk.

But alot of things could go wrong. What if the donk caught a piece of the flop, or had some sort of pair before the flop, and calls the two cold on the flop and runs it down the entire way? What if the SB has a hand?

I know that all things are possible, but I wouldn't feel strong enough here to start firing away. Real chance for a chip-spewing excursion.

I would muck on the flop, and wait for a better opportunity.

TSP

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

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I would muck on the flop, and wait for a better opportunity.

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Nomar doesnt like talk like this.

Nomar plays cash games.

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

I dont hate it, the fact that the fish is still left to act behind you gives your flop raise some credibility, and he probably missed that board. I do think you are better off just folding on the flop. This board is probably dry enough for the sb to call you down with a big ace, and you also run into a real hand some of the time as well. If it were me I would have flopped a nine and went from there.

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

"If it were me I would have flopped a nine and went from there. "

must be nice

Regular Posters Hate Nomar?
 

U could have just IMd all of us and gotten the same answers

Re: Regular Posters Hate Nomar?
 

king of the "GHOST POST" ??????

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

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comments ? if you like what do I do to a flop 3 bet ? or do I follow thru on turn and or river ? if you dont like do I fold preflop ? 3 bet preflop ? or fold to flop bet ?

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I think you should decided if you likely have the best hand before the flop and if you do 3-bet. If you likely don't then fold on this flop.

Playing it the way you did, I would bet the turn if CO folds and SB calls. If both call, I would check the turn.

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

I don't see the point of the flop raise. Yeah, you might be able to get both of these guys to fold, but the pot is small, and your hand has questionable showdown value unimproved. There's nothing to fight over.

Re: ehh, Party 100-200
 

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would it make a difference of the limping donkey was a checking poster ???

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If the limping donkey was a checking poster, and I felt obligated to put in 4 small bets to see the turn when I miss the flop (albeit not the worst flop ever), I'm going to put 3 of those 4 bets in before the flop.

Josh