AA gets reraised PF by nitty player
 

Opponent is 29/4/1.5 over a couple of hundred hands.
I never ever have seen him going out of line.
My image is TAG (20/10), nothing wild so far in this session.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($251.10)
MP ($198.40)
CO ($249.90)
Button ($52.81)
SB ($157.40)
BB ($438.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $22.

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($63) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $30</font>, Hero calls $30.

River: ($123) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Converter messed it up: I check, he bets 125, I fold.

Final Pot: $123

After I get reraised PF, exactly KK comes to mind. My plan is to just call PF and CR all-in on the Flop. Standard? I am not sure, if the fact, that he very likely has KK asks for a push or a call? I can't tell, if he is capable of folding KK PF against me.

OK, I hated this flop, how is the rest against this guy?

PS: a couple of orbits he reraised my PF 10$ to 20$ with KK, my ATs hit an A high flop and I took some bucks from him. Maybe he learned from it...

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River's tough, I suppose he might have AK so I call

But yeah if some one with those stats re-raises preflop I don't think he will fold to a 3-bet

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Hero minraised preflop, lol

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3 bet allin preflop, surely?

An A or K (and maybe Q) on the flop will either kill your action or give you a hard time.

Ojo_Rojo

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Hero minraised preflop, lol

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What are you talking about?

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River's tough, I suppose he might have AK so I call

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I don't think a PFR of 4% is reraising a tight UTG-raiser with AK ever.

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200 hands is not nearly enough to conclude villain would only reraise PF with AA/KK. A case could be made for reraising again preflop. Last 4-5 times I pushed PF after getting reraised, I was called by KK.

I also play the hand more aggressively postflop. If villain has KK, he will let you know.

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200 hands is not nearly enough to conclude villain would only reraise PF with AA/KK.

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A case could be made for reraising again preflop.

[/ QUOTE ]Absolutely and I now think it's the best play against someone holding KK 80% of the time. While in the hand, I thought his tightness would point towards he is capable of a big laydown. Now I think, the fact he has a very strong hand actually increases the chance I get called. Next time I would push. OOP is and additional factor pointing towards putting him all-in.
Edit: OTOH my play might have saved me some bucks, but only, if my read is very accurate here.

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I also play the hand more aggressively postflop. If villain has KK, he will let you know.

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Hm, too short for that, no? And, he is quite predictable. I was convinced, I get a cheap SD if he has AK/QQ, so I didn't see any sense in betting.

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I would re-raise preflop- What hand/hands are you putting him on with his preflop raise? you can't for certain put him on KK with only this action!! If you tought he had KK well your way ahead and should re-pot. The way the hand played out he could have AK/KK/QQ/JJ I think you need to more aggro preflop- postflop and turn.

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River's tough, I suppose he might have AK so I call

But yeah if some one with those stats re-raises preflop I don't think he will fold to a 3-bet

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Are you suggesting that if a player is going to fold to your raise then you should smooth call and trap him on the flop?

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OK, I hated this flop, how is the rest against this guy?



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Preflop is incorrect and the plan to checkraise is incorrect. The only time AA is ahead for sure is preflop. There is nothing that suits AA better than getting re-raised preflop. Since you would like to be ahead, as oppossed to some WA/WB situation, when you put your money in this is the one time that you know with 100% certainty that you are either ahead or tied. A re-raise here is absolutely, no question, 100%, all the time mandatory. Your goal is to get all the money in pre-flop.

Please go back a day or two and read the posts on how to play KK preflop. You'll see from villain's perspective how difficult it is to get away from AA.

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OK, I hated this flop, how is the rest against this guy?



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Preflop is incorrect and the plan to checkraise is incorrect. The only time AA is ahead for sure is preflop. There is nothing that suits AA better than getting re-raised preflop. Since you would like to be ahead, as oppossed to some WA/WB situation, when you put your money in this is the one time that you know with 100% certainty that you are either ahead or tied. A re-raise here is absolutely, no question, 100%, all the time mandatory. Your goal is to get all the money in pre-flop.

Please go back a day or two and read the posts on how to play KK preflop. You'll see from villain's perspective how difficult it is to get away from AA.

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As I stated, I do like the PF push now most, against this guy.
Do you suggest the PF push is mandatory against this opponent or always? Against a good LAG with a wider PF reraise range, I think a call is much more tempting, no? Of course against this looser type of player, I would go to the felt postflop no matter what.

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Against a good LAG with a wider PF reraise range, I think a call is much more tempting, no?

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OOP, no. I wouldn't want to get pushed off the best hand. If the LAG will come along preflop, I prefer all in.

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If the LAG will come along preflop, I prefer all in.

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Hm, I prefer an all-in vs. no matter who, if he will come along [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Brunson: "With AA you're more likely to win a small pot and lose a big one."

This hand is a typical example. Before the flop you are slightly better than a 4-1 favorite. You push this flop. It doesn't make any difference if the villain is LAG, TAG, donk or good enough to fold.

Your plan of letting the villain see the flop and assuming he's going to call your push, or you're going to check, he'll bet, and you'll checkraise all-in is seriously flawed.
The flop can kill your action, or the flop can beat you and you'll end up putting it all-in because you fell in love with your AA.

Players that call here with AA, or limp in trying to trap are players that I consider weak.

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Hero minraised preflop, lol

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Hero makes a standard bring-in of 4BB UTG. MP makes a standard pot-sized raise.

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Brunson: "With AA you're more likely to win a small pot and lose a big one."

This hand is a typical example. Before the flop you are slightly better than a 4-1 favorite. You push this flop. It doesn't make any difference if the villain is LAG, TAG, donk or good enough to fold.

Your plan of letting the villain see the flop and assuming he's going to call your push, or you're going to check, he'll bet, and you'll checkraise all-in is seriously flawed.
The flop can kill your action, or the flop can beat you and you'll end up putting it all-in because you fell in love with your AA.

Players that call here with AA, or limp in trying to trap are players that I consider weak.

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fwiw this is nice thinking but fairly wrong. Brunson's advice, although quoted widely, is not good. (I'm by no means saying most of his advice is not good! Alot of it is pure gold. That passage, however, should be eradicated)

OP played it well preflop. As to postflop, well, sometimes Im sure he played it well and sometimes he played it terribly wrong.

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Brunson: "With AA you're more likely to win a small pot and lose a big one."

This hand is a typical example. Before the flop you are slightly better than a 4-1 favorite. You push this flop. It doesn't make any difference if the villain is LAG, TAG, donk or good enough to fold.

Your plan of letting the villain see the flop and assuming he's going to call your push, or you're going to check, he'll bet, and you'll checkraise all-in is seriously flawed.
The flop can kill your action, or the flop can beat you and you'll end up putting it all-in because you fell in love with your AA.

Players that call here with AA, or limp in trying to trap are players that I consider weak.

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fwiw this is nice thinking but fairly wrong. Brunson's advice, although quoted widely, is not good. (I'm by no means saying most of his advice is not good! Alot of it is pure gold. That passage, however, should be eradicated)

OP played it well preflop. As to postflop, well, sometimes Im sure he played it well and sometimes he played it terribly wrong.

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fwiw, when this guy speaks you should pay attention. there are not many posters qualified to correct Mr. Brunson, but this guy is definitely one of them.

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River's tough, I suppose he might have AK so I call

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I don't think a PFR of 4% is reraising a tight UTG-raiser with AK ever.

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I used to have a pfr of 3.5% and I would do this