question about information calldown
 

first hand for villain at the table. looks like i have 5 outs on the flop to improve past an Ace, but i might be HU if i call here. is this worth a c/c showdown?

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(5 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]<font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero??

Re: question about information calldown
 

fold preflop

Re: question about information calldown
 

at these limits? in my experience that's a bad play.

Re: question about information calldown
 

okay then 3-bet preflop.

coldcalling here is dirty.

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ok

does this change flop strategy at all? should i call down, or would villian play flop differently?

Re: question about information calldown
 

Please fold pre-flop, regardless of level.. unless you think he is a COMPLETE maniac, like we're talking 30% pfr

Re: question about information calldown
 

i think you're overestimating pfr hands at this level, honestly.

Re: question about information calldown
 

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i think you're overestimating pfr hands at this level, honestly.

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so then why no 3bet? Cold call is bad with kt off this flop I either see raising or calling as an option if you are calling kt cold pf and folding to 2nd pair top kicker on flop then dont call pf

Re: question about information calldown
 

i agree with 3bet.

can we get to the flop?

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i think you're overestimating pfr hands at this level, honestly.

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Not taking pfraises seriously against any unknown player is a very dangerous habit to get into no matter what the level. I fold preflop. If by some strange chance I was in the hand to see the flop then I raise the flop without a second thought.

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i think you're overestimating pfr hands at this level, honestly.

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Not taking pfraises seriously against any unknown player is a very dangerous habit to get into no matter what the level. I fold preflop.

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Agreed.

Re: question about information calldown
 

fair enough.

Re: question about information calldown
 

Like others have said: fold pf (or 3-bet) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But to your actual question, I would raise this flop.

Re: question about information calldown
 

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i think you're overestimating pfr hands at this level, honestly.

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Not to beat the dead pre-flop horse here, but what? People raise less at lower levels, not more.

On the flop I raise or fold. I don't want to call it down and I don't want to pay multiple bets on the expensive streets.

/mc

Re: question about information calldown
 

not raising or folding preflop leads to tough, very marginal decisions on flops like these. And I don't think many people are comenting on the flop because its a spot that we're probably never going to be in.

Edit: Also a cold call is even worse at .5/1 than it is at higher levels. This is because unknowns are more passive PF making their PFR range even smaller and increasing the possibility of you being dominated.

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On the flop you've got to fold or raise i think.

like a Q7 example in SSH i think, on a T7x flop i believe, although this is shorthanded and lots of people play aces... So no... it isn't like the SSH example at all duh.

Anyhow you've got raise to protect/Value if you think you're ahead.

I guess you could put forward an arguement that its killing his bluff, but your not way ahead and giving cards away can screw you.

i.e. a queen on the turn will suck.

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How could you possibly cold call this? Aggghhh this is awful. 3-bet or fold. And I don't really see how you could want to 3-bet here, unless you already have a read on the villain. KT is dominated 6 ways to sunday, and "at this level" people are actually tighter with their raises then in bigger games.

Raise the flop if you're gonna play, though.

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I would be more likely to 3-bet KT at a higher level than at .5/1 party. I don't see why you play KT on the flop or after the flop.

What range do you give this dude? I think almost every hand beats you.

I fold preflop, fold flop.

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Re: question about information calldown
 

this is a very easy preflop fold absent a maniac read