Two hands against tough LAG
 

Here's my read on the guy.

32/25/2.5 - "steal T8o, call flop UI, RAISE TURNed 8! check behind river. raise UTG, fold T66 flop to CR!"

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Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (3.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.66 BB

Hand 2 against the same guy. River: Bet/call?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (8.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

Re: Two hands against tough LAG
 

your notes on him make him sound decent. he folded to a c/r on T66, he may have made a loose call with T8, but he raised a turn 8 which is likely a good play in a steal situation.

in the TT hand, i cap preflop.

in the QT hand, i think your flop cap is too much. i call down from here. given your play, yeah i think bet calling the river is best. he may bluff raise you.

Re: Two hands against tough LAG
 

hand 2: I don't think you can bet/fold against this guy so I prefer a check

hadn 1: He'll call with a smaller pp and take it away from you on the turn anyway. I guess I do what you did.

Re: Two hands against tough LAG
 

Sorry, I was reading the tone of your notes on this guy more than the substance. His stats are LAG and your descriptions are too vague

hand 1: cap pf and lead

hand 2: I don't play these situations well enough to give advice

Re: Two hands against tough LAG
 

Hand 1 I like because I really dont know what he 3bets us with and then checks the flop w/ position other than JJJ or QQQ or something- seems like a trap to me.

Hand 2 I think the cap is a bit much, i'd rather call the 3bet and maybe lead the turn to prevent a free card.

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hand 1: cap pf and lead

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I really don't like capping against this guy here. He's not a 70/40 LAG, he's a 30/25 LAG. He doesn't 3bet THAT light. At best I'm a slight favorite to most of his holdings. I'd rather call the 3bet and punish him on a favorable flop.

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Hand 1 I like because I really dont know what he 3bets us with and then checks the flop w/ position other than JJJ or QQQ or something- seems like a trap to me.

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This is exactly what I was thinking.

Re: Two hands against tough LAG
 

Hand 2, the river is very intereting.

Bet/folding loses merit because we can get bluffed off this pot. Check/Calling loses value on the hands he would call with but will check behind and you are going to get bet at by almost every flush and quite a large variety of other hands.

I think the ranges that both of these rivers are against are very large and I think that check/calling and bet/folding probably have the same EV. Bet/calling I really don't know about because I am not sure how often he will bluff/raise this.

True

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because I don't have any reason to believe that he is holding an Ace at this point?

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I tend to think that people will fold their overcards more freely should I cap. The flip side is that they'll fold their underpairs more easily too.

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Regarding the flop cap on hand 2...

I see it as partly for deception, partly for value. If I can get him to fold an overpair or TPBK (top pair, better kicker) when more diamonds come out, for example, it would be huge.

As for the value, his bet/3bet doesn't mean that much, as we know he will pump draws and semi-bluff raise. So there's a good chance I'm ahead anyway.

At this point, I think his hand range is something like:

Overpair: 10%
Top pair: 30%
Middle or bottom pair: 30%
Flush draw: 20%
Monster: 10%

Now, even when he has top pair, his kicker could easily be smaller than mine. One stat I forgot to include is that his ATSB is like 60.

Someone please tell me if I'm retarded.

Re: Two hands against tough LAG
 

You need to bet out the flop on hand 1. It plays easier that way.

A cap is a bit excessive for hand 2. Just call the 3-bet and donk the turn, prolly call down if raised. River is the perfect spot for a bet/call. I know a clarky is supposed to be done with a set, but top two pair should give us a similar line, right?

Re: Two hands against tough LAG
 

--blind response--

hand 1:

I'm confused about your flop line. was that a check/call, check/raise, or check/fold?

I tend to bet/fold these flops vs passives, but this guy will bluff raise too often for that to work.

I hate having to fold the turn though, because you pretty much forced him to bet whatever two cards he had. With that said, it's hard to take another line that isnt total spew. His position on you sucks for this hand.

hand 2:

I like a bet/call on the river. Its possible he's on a flush draw, and its also possible he's calling you down with a strong ten or a pp. This guy knows how to find a fold and check behind, so its a disaster if he takes the free showdown with a hand like AT or 88. You have a strong enough hand to call, and if he blufraises you here that goes in the note box as well.

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I'm confused about your flop line. was that a check/call, check/raise, or check/fold?

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I was going to peel if he bet. I would have called a K on the turn (obviously) or a low card, but the A pretty much cements that I'm behind with very few, if any, outs.