Where does the money come from?
 

I have found that the way I make $$$ at poker is by waiting for other players to make mistakes and/or by semi-bluffing, rather than any "skill" or fancy plays on my part. Is this correct? Is this only because I am female? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Weirdest post ever?

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It definitely ranks up there. Plus it makes me feel that as a man I should be making my money by using my full arsenal of skill plays. But, the arsenal is empty...

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I don't know what you mean by "correct" ?

Are you asking whether waiting for your opponents to make errors is wiser than causing them to (or TRYING to cause them to) make errors ?

- If you're playing at lower limits, it probably is.

Are you asking whether this is the ONLY way to win - as in, are you correct in your assesment of what happens in a poker game ?

- Again this is dependent on your opposition but often you will find small stakes games to be stocked with opponents that are so weak (see: clueless) that most of (in some cases ALMOST ALL of) your profits come from them tripping over their own feet rather than by you knocking them down.

If you clarify what you meant you'll likely get a better answer but I hope mine helped a little.

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P.S. My experience has shown the most effective weapon in a female players arsenal is the low cut blouse; tank tops are good too. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Cut her some slack
 

She spelled "appreciated" correctly. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

If we are grading on the curve she shows major potential. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Well first I couldn't tell if it was a serious Q or not. Also the part about being female was kind of a non sequitur.

Very much akin to.

"I've noticed most of the times when my opponent has a 4 flush draw they will not fold even with bad odds to chase. Is this because dogs have cold noses?"

But a serious response...

The sad truth is that there is no such thing as "fancy" plays in poker. Every single cent of all poker profit (long term) comes from simply making less mistakes than your opponent according to the FTOP.

Some people would call how you induce these mistakes "fancy" though.

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I would say that at lower limits, most of the money comes from allowing other players to make misstakes and you don't need to do anything too fancy. As you move up, the players get better and make fewer misstakes. This is where intricate moves become more beneficial as you now really have to outthink your opponents.

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Certainly is unusual. And around 2+2 that's saying a lot.

Also, it reminded me of the poster, KittyKat.

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She didn't refer to herself as a brat though... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

-ZEN

Re: Cut her some slack
 

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"I've noticed most of the times when my opponent has a 4 flush draw they will not fold even with bad odds to chase. Is this because dogs have cold noses?"


LOL - good one. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Of course it has nothing to do with the average temperature of a dog's nose. (It doesn't does it [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img])?



It may, however, have something to do with dogs; many players have told me they base their decision to call or not call based on something similar to game theory.


They call to draw to that flush if the "dogs" tell them to and fold if the "dogs" are silent. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


IT'S NOT PARANOIA IF THE WORLD REALLY IS OUT TO GET ME [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Re: Where does the money come from?
 

With the exception of the highest levels of poker, the vast majority of winning poker players' profit comes from the bad play of their opponents rather than from their own brilliance.

That's why the single most important skill in poker is game selection. It does you no good to be the 10th best player in the world if the 9 who are better than you are sitting in the game.

That has precisely zero to do with gender, though live, being female may make some men make faulty assumptions. Of course that is also an example of a mistake from which you profit.

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P.S. My experience has shown the most effective weapon in a female players arsenal is the low cut tight-fitting blouse; tank tops are good too.

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Thank you for all of your responses. I realized after posting that this subject is covered in one of the first chapters of SSHE. I do play at lower limits, and it just feels weird to NOT do anything, and just wait for others to make mistakes. Once again, thank you.

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I have found that the way I make $$$ at poker is by waiting for other players to make mistakes and/or by semi-bluffing, rather than any "skill" or fancy plays on my part. Is this correct? Is this only because I am female? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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hey baby.

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Thank you for all of your responses. I realized after posting that this subject is covered in one of the first chapters of SSHE. I do play at lower limits, and it just feels weird to NOT do anything, and just wait for others to make mistakes. Once again, thank you.

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There is a 'mathematically correct' way to play poker. It's not clear what that is, but it's certain that it exists. Against unknown opponents (which is likely on line) you're going to have to play something approximating it, and then let your opponents make mistakes. In practice, nobody knows what the ideal play is, since the math is too hard, but, aside from that, the only reason to vary from this play is in order to exploit an opponent's weaknesses.

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That has precisely zero to do with gender, though live, being female may make some men make faulty assumptions. Of course that is also an example of a mistake from which you profit.

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I was just recently at a live table with two ok looking chicks who were friends. They would kiss every time they won a hand.

They limped in about 70% of their hands and at least one of them would show down. The horn-dogs at the table would toss in chips with crappy hands and fold their decent ones just to see that magic kiss.

I'd pound them relentlessly when I had a reasonable hand. Occasionally getting outdrawn but definitely getting the best of it. And STILL they ended up way ahead for the night.

So I guess being female can help make money at the table…

SP

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I have found etc. Is this only because I am female?

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No, some men have found the same thing.