$33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

I think this was a $33... This has happened 2x in the last few days... should I fold to shorty's push? Or should I be folding AQ pf Level 3?

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: thankyou_u ( $530 )
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $680 )
Seat 4: sockers1 ( $931 )
Seat 5: joffgbg ( $780 )
Seat 6: walker1076 ( $455 )
Seat 7: chaffed ( $972 )
Seat 8: DoTheDew68 ( $1454 )
Seat 9: King_Deez ( $1345 )
Seat 10: Akiba ( $853 )
Trny:18430837 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ac Qc ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises [150].
sockers1 folds.
joffgbg folds.
walker1076 folds.
chaffed folds.
DoTheDew68 folds.
King_Deez folds.
Akiba folds.
thankyou_u is all-In [480]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [380].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, Kh, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ Ac, Qc ] high card ace.
thankyou_u shows [ Td, Tc ] a pair of tens.
thankyou_u wins 1085 chips from the main pot with a pair of tens.

This was my 4th career $55 (0 for 4)... I should not have been there, but... I felt I needed to try and win some money back. It was a push fest and very tough to push from SB/Button b/c someone was always pushing... but I guess I should have folded...
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $1370 )
Seat 8: gnosticdogma ( $1320 )
Seat 5: gutshot227 ( $1640 )
Seat 1: Hells51Bells ( $2310 )
Seat 10: alextrebksux ( $3360 )
Trny:18432023 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 4s Ad ]
gutshot227 folds.
gnosticdogma folds.
alextrebksux folds.
Hells51Bells is all-In [2110]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In [970]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Tc, 8c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
Hells51Bells shows [ Ac, 9d ] a pair of threes.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ 4s, Ad ] a pair of threes.
Hells51Bells wins 940 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of threes with nine kicker.
Hells51Bells wins 2740 chips from the main pot with a pair of threes with nine kicker.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 finished in fifth place.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 has left the table.

This was a $33... I don't love to push any 2, but did not have my KS charts handy.
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: bliz504917 ( $2060 )
Seat 1: joshuajenks ( $1680 )
Seat 2: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $2470 )
Seat 7: str8shooter5 ( $1790 )
Trny:18434736 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 7d 9c ]
str8shooter5 folds.
joshuajenks folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In [2370]
bliz504917 is all-In [1860]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 3h, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ 7d, 9c ] a pair of threes.
bliz504917 shows [ 7c, Ac ] a pair of threes.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 wins 410 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of threes.
bliz504917 wins 4120 chips from the main pot with a pair of threes with ace kicker.

This was a $33 (Bad Beat)... should I have raised pre-flop
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 10: Erastus ( $660 )
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $680 )
Seat 6: Stugotzz ( $570 )
Seat 8: IaNDfan ( $1055 )
Seat 9: XXXPA68 ( $2165 )
Seat 2: leenbean27 ( $2260 )
Seat 4: calcobay ( $610 )
Trny:18430042 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Kc Kh ]
Stugotzz folds.
IaNDfan folds.
XXXPA68 folds.
Erastus raises [175].
leenbean27 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [150].
calcobay folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, Tc, 2d ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
Erastus bets [100].
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In [505]
Erastus is all-In [385]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Erastus shows [ 2c, As ] three of a kind, twos.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ Kc, Kh ] two pairs, kings and twos.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 wins 20 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and twos.
Erastus wins 1370 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, twos.


This was a $33... Anything wrong with this pf push L1?
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $800 )
Seat 5: EASYONPAPA ( $800 )
Seat 9: HARDTIMESNOW ( $800 )
Seat 4: buriedaces1 ( $800 )
Seat 7: NitePlayer ( $800 )
Seat 6: Mr_Brown ( $800 )
Seat 1: ActionFreek ( $800 )
Seat 8: trish233 ( $800 )
Seat 2: igottheace4 ( $800 )
Seat 10: playin4broke ( $800 )
Trny:18434676 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ac Kd ]
buriedaces1 calls [15].
EASYONPAPA calls [15].
Mr_Brown folds.
NitePlayer calls [15].
trish233 calls [15].
HARDTIMESNOW folds.
playin4broke calls [15].
ActionFreek folds.
igottheace4 calls [5].
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In [785]
buriedaces1 is all-In [785]
EASYONPAPA folds.
NitePlayer folds.
trish233 folds.
playin4broke folds.
igottheace4 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, Qc, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
buriedaces1 shows [ 6d, 6h ] two pairs, queens and sixes.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ Ac, Kd ] a pair of queens.
buriedaces1 wins 1675 chips from the main pot with two pairs, queens and sixes.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 finished in tenth place.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 has left the table.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

Hand #1 I play the same.
Hand #2 Is a tough spot, but I think you do have to call. However don't go up levels to try to win back losses at a lower level. It doesn't work and will cost you massively over the long term.
Hand #3 I don't really like that much. It's marginally ok I think to push, but it's the type I would let go (I mean he has to call top 17% to stop you profiting). People tend to defend their blinds a lot to SB pushes when there's no short stack around. I'd just let it go, quite honestly.
Hand #4 Just push preflop - you're getting too fancy.
Hand #5 I really do not like, just raise to about t150 and take it from there. More if you want, just not all-in.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

Actually Hand #2 is pretty much read dependent as well. He has to be pushing top 1/3rd of hands to call here. So you do have to have some idea what he's playing like. Usually though that's a fair enough range against your usual $55 player

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

Regarding your comments on hand #2 - I'd go a step further than Tigerite...you should probably be going DOWN levels to win back money that you lost. Although it may take some time, you've got a better chance to win at the lower levels and the reason you lost the money in the first place may have been that you were playing at too high a level for your skill level.

P.S. Take all advice from me with a grain of salt...I'm still playing mostly freerolls.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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I think this was a $33... This has happened 2x in the last few days... should I fold to shorty's push? Or should I be folding AQ pf Level 3?

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Easy call, you played it fine. There's no way you can put him on a range where it would make it correct for you to fold.

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This was my 4th career $55 (0 for 4)... I should not have been there, but... I felt I needed to try and win some money back.

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Let's stop right here for a second. The next time you play a $55, it's not going to be to make money back. Ok? Ok, good, glad we got that sorted out.

Now, onto the hand.

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It was a push fest and very tough to push from SB/Button b/c someone was always pushing... but I guess I should have folded...

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This just depends on the range you put the button on. I would sometimes call here - if it's been a pushfest, I'd be more inclined to call. This is a SNGPT type hand, and it'd be a useful tool for you if you don't have it already.

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This was a $33... I don't love to push any 2, but did not have my KS charts handy.


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I really dislike this push. You have 12BBs, there are better options here. Raise t500 is you must raise, but I don't mind open limping (to keep the pot small) or folding, depending on the villain.


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This was a $33 (Bad Beat)... should I have raised pre-flop

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Yes, reraise KK preflop. If you always do this, you will be fine.

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This was a $33... Anything wrong with this pf push L1?

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AK facing 6 opponents, and you're OOP. I pop it to t150 and see what happens.]

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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Hand #1 I play the same.
Hand #2 Is a tough spot, but I think you do have to call. However don't go up levels to try to win back losses at a lower level. It doesn't work and will cost you massively over the long term.
Hand #3 I don't really like that much. It's marginally ok I think to push, but it's the type I would let go (I mean he has to call top 17% to stop you profiting). People tend to defend their blinds a lot to SB pushes when there's no short stack around. I'd just let it go, quite honestly.
Hand #4 Just push preflop - you're getting too fancy.
Hand #5 I really do not like, just raise to about t150 and take it from there. More if you want, just not all-in.

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tigerite,

I am going to stop spending time on posts, because you just post what I was about to, albeit
1) more quickly
2) more concisely
3) with a British accent

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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This was a $33... I don't love to push any 2, but did not have my KS charts handy.

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I really dislike this push. You have 12BBs, there are better options here. Raise t500 is you must raise, but I don't mind open limping (to keep the pot small) or folding, depending on the villain.

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I agree 100% with downtown on this one. When your opponent can hurt you badly if you push and there's no shortstack, I've started limping from the SB in spots like this. If I think that my opponent will let me get away with it, I'll do it for these reasons:

1) To keep the pot small with my marginal hand
2) I don't need the pot
3) My opponent can cripple me if I push and lose
4) Importantly, some opponents are more likely to call
your pre-flop push, but will very often fold after you
limp and bet any flop. It looks less like you're
stealing. Of course, sometimes the flop actually hits
you, which of course is nice too.

Against many opponents, I think the best course of action is call (fold to a raise), bet any flop. If raised on the flop, let it go. You're only out maybe 300 chips or so.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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This was a $33... I don't love to push any 2, but did not have my KS charts handy.

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I really dislike this push. You have 12BBs, there are better options here. Raise t500 is you must raise, but I don't mind open limping (to keep the pot small) or folding, depending on the villain.

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I agree 100% with downtown on this one. When your opponent can hurt you badly if you push and there's no shortstack, I've started limping from the SB in spots like this. If I think that my opponent will let me get away with it, I'll do it for these reasons:

1) To keep the pot small with my marginal hand
2) I don't need the pot
3) My opponent can cripple me if I push and lose
4) Importantly, some opponents are more likely to call
your pre-flop push, but will very often fold after you
limp and bet any flop. It looks less like you're
stealing. Of course, sometimes the flop actually hits
you, which of course is nice too.

Against many opponents, I think the best course of action is call (fold to a raise), bet any flop. If raised on the flop, let it go. You're only out maybe 300 chips or so.

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So how much do you bet on flop? Standard 3xbb?

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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This was a $33... I don't love to push any 2, but did not have my KS charts handy.

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I really dislike this push. You have 12BBs, there are better options here. Raise t500 is you must raise, but I don't mind open limping (to keep the pot small) or folding, depending on the villain.

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I agree 100% with downtown on this one. When your opponent can hurt you badly if you push and there's no shortstack, I've started limping from the SB in spots like this. If I think that my opponent will let me get away with it, I'll do it for these reasons:

1) To keep the pot small with my marginal hand
2) I don't need the pot
3) My opponent can cripple me if I push and lose
4) Importantly, some opponents are more likely to call
your pre-flop push, but will very often fold after you
limp and bet any flop. It looks less like you're
stealing. Of course, sometimes the flop actually hits
you, which of course is nice too.

Against many opponents, I think the best course of action is call (fold to a raise), bet any flop. If raised on the flop, let it go. You're only out maybe 300 chips or so.

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So how much do you bet on flop? Standard 3xbb?

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No, 3 BB would be 600 chips. Way too much. Against alot of players in this exact circumstance, a mini-bet will get them to fold. It's a tricky spot. The guy has a good stack and could easily fold to keep his FE. BTW, the post that I just made shows a similar circumstance, except I was in the spot of the BB facing a mini-bet from a bigger stack. It's a very uncomfortable situation. I folded middle pair.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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I think this was a $33... This has happened 2x in the last few days... should I fold to shorty's push? Or should I be folding AQ pf Level 3?


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Easy call, you played it fine. There's no way you can put him on a range where it would make it correct for you to fold.



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Easy call, for sure. But I'd like to know if folding AQs UTG is OK in this spot as opposed to raising.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

Played with a Dr__Jekyll last night, I thought it was you, but I guess not. Good thing too, because he severely misplayed a number of hands IMO.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

Hand 1 I think is fine, Hand 2 I probally call since it sounds like its been very aggressive. Hand 3 Id just fold but maybe min raise or something depending on the villian. Hand 4 I just push over the top PF. Hand 5 is way too big of a bet. Sometimes I limp behind and sometimes I raise to 3X + 1X for every limper.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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Played with a Dr__Jekyll last night, I thought it was you, but I guess not. Good thing too, because he severely misplayed a number of hands IMO.

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That is not me, but as you can see, I misplayed a few hands myself [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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Played with a Dr__Jekyll last night, I thought it was you, but I guess not. Good thing too, because he severely misplayed a number of hands IMO.

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That is not me, but as you can see, I misplayed a few hands myself [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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It's ok once you get the hang of things, the $33s are donktastic. It's like they're throwing money around.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

1, Ugly spot, with your stack & position I might just fold, although I generally don't like open-folding AQ preflop. You gotta call the re-raise.

2, You gotta call, it's not close.

3, This seems thin but is surely not a big mistake.

4, Push preflop, the raise is like a quarter of your stack! What is he gonna do, fold? After raising more than a quarter of his own stack?

5, I would just make a normal raise here. There isn't enough in the pot to make me feel comfortable pushing.

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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Actually Hand #2 is pretty much read dependent as well. He has to be pushing top 1/3rd of hands to call here. So you do have to have some idea what he's playing like. Usually though that's a fair enough range against your usual $55 player

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How can you guys even consider folding this hand!? You have like 2.5bb if you fold, and it's the SB who's pushing. And the whole table is a pushfest according to OP. And you have an Ace!

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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Actually Hand #2 is pretty much read dependent as well. He has to be pushing top 1/3rd of hands to call here. So you do have to have some idea what he's playing like. Usually though that's a fair enough range against your usual $55 player

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How can you guys even consider folding this hand!? You have like 2.5bb if you fold, and it's the SB who's pushing. And the whole table is a pushfest according to OP. And you have an Ace!

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I also folded an A5 during the push fest, where the pusher was called and both had A2... I think if I had called it would have been split 3 ways due to over cards on board.

Just to clarify, it is a call, not just b/c I have an ace, but b/c it is a push fest AND blinds are huge, right?

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

Yes, blinds are big compared to your stack.

If this was level 1, you can fold this. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

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Yes, blinds are big compared to your stack.

If this was level 1, you can fold this. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Re: $33\'s: Got my @$$ kicked AGAIN last night (5 hands)
 

Hand 2 is an easy call. You have to be calling something like the top 55% in this spot. The NE is something like 86/55, but you still have to call with the top 55% even if don't know what his pushing range is. He could be pushing the top 20% and you don't really mind calling 55% of the time since he is walking you four out of five times. So any deviation that he makes helps you while any deviation you make could be good or bad depending on how aggressive he is. I would take the sure thing.

Hand 3 I'm pushing any two. Yeah it might not always work out, but the villian is rooting for you to fold and that means I'm shoving.

Brad