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HiatusOver 12-20-2005 03:55 AM

Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
folded to button, he makes it 65...I am in the BB, in a NL tournament I usually raise here but I just called with KQcc.

Flop J83 with one club, I check...opponent bets 65 I make it 250. Standard?

mic_check12 12-20-2005 03:57 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
definitely not standard

captZEEbo1 12-20-2005 04:04 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
rofl, how would this possibly be standard?

hit_the_set 12-20-2005 04:06 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
yes, this is standard chip spewing. If you want to steal lead and fold to a raise.

Lucky 12-20-2005 04:07 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
I dont mind the call in BB PF. I wouldnt re-raise here, especially with KQ. Even with a better hand, ill often call in BB when i know it will be heads up.

For re-raising, ill do this mostly out of SB with 99 and up, maybe with slick and AQ, but then i'm tighter than most here.

As far as flop, no way i check raise that without a big reason you haven't listed.

HiatusOver 12-20-2005 04:24 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
His bet looked weak so I tried to take the pot away from him. Also everyone is scared to call raises in this game so he probably folds anything but a J or better. I could definitely be wrong but that was my thinking

12-20-2005 04:32 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
what are you representing? a set? just lead the flop

HiatusOver 12-20-2005 04:36 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
I didnt want to lead the flop because I was probably gonna check fold. When he bet so weak I figured there was a better than 50 percent chance he would fold to the check-raise so I decided to try to take the bot

12-20-2005 04:47 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
if your plan was to check and fold, just check and fold. by the way, didn't he bet half the pot? how is that weak?

thabadguy 12-20-2005 04:54 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
Very opponent dependent.
I hate giving up my blinds and KQs is def a hand i defend with.
If he has been doing this a lot(blind stealing) i would reraise pf with KQs.
Given that u just called pf, the flop CR is fine,if he calls...that is when reads become crucial...think he'll dump an overpair? or a decent jack?

HiatusOver 12-20-2005 05:49 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
65 seems like a weak stab at the pot from an unknown. This is clearly not an exact science though. Basically my check-raise only has to work here like 55 percent of the time to be +EV. Do u think he is calling this check-raise half the time? There is a good chance he is folding everything but TPGK, a set or an overpair...I dont think he has those hands a majority of the time

Ulysses 12-20-2005 06:06 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
Hiatus,

Looks good to me.

durrrr 12-20-2005 06:14 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
[ QUOTE ]
65 seems like a weak stab at the pot from an unknown. This is clearly not an exact science though. Basically my check-raise only has to work here like 55 percent of the time to be +EV. Do u think he is calling this check-raise half the time? There is a good chance he is folding everything but TPGK, a set or an overpair...I dont think he has those hands a majority of the time

[/ QUOTE ]

this is incorrect logic. Also he needs to fold to your checkraise far less than 50% of the time for it to be profitable. Dont forget that your allowed to hit the turn.

HiatusOver 12-20-2005 06:19 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
yea I remembered I could hit the turn, I didnt do the exact calculations so I decided to stay cautious with the number...but I knew it was favorable.

whitelime 12-20-2005 07:15 AM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
I think you can C/R for less and accomplish the same result.

Paluka 12-20-2005 01:44 PM

Re: Party 10-20 NL bluff
 
I like it but I agree that you could probably make it just $200 and get same results.


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