OESD\'s checked to in position - do you bet these?
 

question is in the title - please give reasons behind your opinions.

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If I'm HU and my opponent is unlikely to c/r, yes. Multi-way (or HU against a c/r loving opponent), no.

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i usually take the free cards offered in situations like this for several reasons.

It really depends on how dangerous my cards will look if I hit. If my straightcards will make the board look like i minefield i try to pick up the pot right now.
If i know my card won't discourage action i'll take the free card for the following reasons:

First of all, this ain't a hand i'd like to get pushed of if a player OOP checked a flopped set/2-pair decides to pull a big check-raise.
If you hit you will get plenty of action on the turn nonetheless, and if you miss you are happy the card was free.


My personal belief is that semibluffing in position is overrated in an unraised pot. If you are in middle position i am much more inclined to semibluff as the bet might buy me position for the remainder of the hand.

I say take free cards unless the situation warrants another action.

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You can often bet 1/2 the pot and take it down right there.

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is this a reply to the OP?

if it's a reply to my post, please speculate.

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On any board that is checked to you, You can often bet 1/2 the pot and take it down right there,but doing so indiscrimately with any OESD against any opponents, you risk an expensive check-raise when you could have taken a free card.

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Not betting usually a mistake unless a pfr is behind you or you have bad position. Not only do you have a big draw, you might take the pot down right now. You cant live in fear of a check raise. Dont go crazy, dont overbet, just do a normal 2/3 pot or whatever.

Besides taking the pot down betting might buy you position and the chance to take a free card on turn if you chose. I bet 75% of the time with these hands.

One of the times I dont try and take the pot down is if I have J-10 and the flop is KQX. That probably hit someone, and a re-raise is a strong possibility. If flop is 8-9-2 for example I bet it. You take it down at least half the time, and even if you dont you have outs.

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oops

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Besides taking the pot down betting might buy you position and the chance to take a free card on turn if you chose. I bet 75% of the time with these hands.


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The OP stated that you already were in position. The play you describe simply sounds like a tight table. Betting 2/3 pot with air in position against tight players will probably take it down or give you a free turn as well. That doesn't make it a good idea 75% of the time. That number seems a bit high. In a weak/passive/calling station type limit game would you try this move?

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oops

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scrapperdog wtf? i ramble a lot but come on.

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You cant be in fear of a check raise. It might happen but until it does I dont worry much about it on the flop. I worry about it a lot more on the river when the pot has gotten big.

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You find your check-raised more on the river than on the flop? If you have the nut straight on the river why would you care?

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a giant bluff sized bet

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Is this part of your game?

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This is another reason that I think a normal sized bet is good. Once people start putting money in the pot they dont want to let go, even if a strait possibility shows up. If they have nothing invested in the pot they drop it like a hot potato when a scare card hits.

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That's definitely the main reason why a big bet on the flop is wrong. You nailed it. If someone calls, they will be pot-committed!

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I am 90% sure you will make more money off this hand in the long run by betting this flop instead of checking it.

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That depends on table conditions and obviously what your opponents hold. 90% sure, eh?

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they overbet at the pot instead of a normal bet, then feel the need to move in on turn when they miss. I even see this encouraged in this forum sometimes.

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Is there a play money forum now? I must have missed this post...
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in postion checked to me I bet it 100% of the time,

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Without even putting intelligent thought to this, this isn't right.

Re: OESD\'s checked to in position - do you bet these?
 

You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. Keep checking your strait flush draws in postion.

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Strange, I didn't see a single post in this thread about a strait flush draw or even about a straight flush draw for that matter.

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My bad, you are right. I take back my comments, it is late. Get rid of the dufus with the hat. I still bet it a lot though!

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This thread as a whole just doesn't make sense. If you're mixing up your play, you would never conform to a strict standard of "i always/usually bet this". If you're playing super-tight ABC poker, you would never bet this when given a chance at a free look at the turn.

Poker is about principles, not rules people. Sure, a year ago my first question (to MarkL444, never said thanks for the redirect to here) was "blah blah blah I had Q9 blah blah the board is Qxxx can i call?"

No offense, beavens, maybe your question was just to stimulate discussion. But the answers to your question should become evident as you learn how your opponents play and whichever blend of poker you find most efficient.

As a side note, if anything, I think betting an OESD on the flop COULD result in chipspewing on later streets when an opponent donk-bets the turn and you are denied odds yet do not getaway or as you make a pair and choose to make a losing river call there. While it is results-oriented, nothing beats checking a flop and seeing a nasty turn that your opponent bets (and probably would have called flop anyway) and you can easily fold as the pot is very small and your equity just shot down. Just try playing on a site/table where opponents peel with any two, any gutshot, any backdoor draw and you'll see what i mean.

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My bad, you are right. I take back my comments, it is late. Get rid of the dufus with the hat. I still bet it a lot though!

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