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12-17-2005 06:35 PM

Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
What's happening here?!?

MP3 is: 40/12/0,95
MP2 is: 22//0,95

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 caps</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.00 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

I don't think this is a scary flop with 2 tens considering the preflop action. What hand with a ten can they have?

Turn: (11.00 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

A King. Dammit. I'm behind KK now which can be a possible hand. MP2 limp/raise the turn and I go "what?!?"

River: (20.00 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

I did not like this at all. Not at all... This is probably where I should throw it away but it's one bet to a huge pot... and since I call, I get mad since MP2 check/raise... I hate MP2 btw. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Final Pot: 26.00 BB.

BLEH

milesdyson 12-17-2005 07:18 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
i fold the turn when MP3 raises after coldcalling preflop and two on the flop. he has a ten. i love folding overpairs.

kiemo 12-17-2005 11:56 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
You can throw this away on the turn or the river, your choice.

MP3 is almost always going to show a ten giving his patented micro limit wait until the turn to bet my set play

But MP2 is probably going to take it down with his AK

12-17-2005 11:58 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
just me..but I call cap the turn..then fold the river and I'm pissed the whole time i'm playing this hand

What really sucks is that I'm pretty sure I don't win this hand and I still call

12-18-2005 03:02 AM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
I think MP2 has a ten, maybe even King-Ten. This is a sucky spot to be in, but I do not think I could lay down AA here because it's always just "one more bet" to call each time.

12-18-2005 05:18 AM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
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I think MP2 has a ten, maybe even King-Ten. This is a sucky spot to be in, but I do not think I could lay down AA here because it's always just "one more bet" to call each time.

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Thats what I thought but directly after the hand when I reviewed I thought, what was I doing? Even if it's just one more bet, it's like throwing it down the lake since I can't see myself ever winning this hand. I should have folded the turn. Bleh.

Anyway, I did win this hand. They showed JJ and QJ.... WTF?

SCfuji 12-18-2005 05:39 AM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
these guys seem to call a lot more often than bet so i bet/fold the turn.

12-18-2005 12:10 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
grunch...

i think in game i play it the same; its just not a situation that occurs often so im not laying down an overpair with all the weird betting.

capping the turn seems like absolute spew....

12-18-2005 12:21 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
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I think MP2 has a ten, maybe even King-Ten. This is a sucky spot to be in, but I do not think I could lay down AA here because it's always just "one more bet" to call each time.

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Thats what I thought but directly after the hand when I reviewed I thought, what was I doing? Even if it's just one more bet, it's like throwing it down the lake since I can't see myself ever winning this hand. I should have folded the turn. Bleh.

Anyway, I did win this hand. They showed JJ and QJ.... WTF?

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Then again, it was only "one more bet" and you did end up winning the hand.

Poker sucks, lol.

bozlax 12-18-2005 12:38 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
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Anyway, I did win this hand. They showed JJ and QJ.... WTF?

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"Buuuuuuuddy liiiiiiiiiiiiist." - The Ghost of Christmas Poker

bozlax 12-18-2005 12:40 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
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Then again, it was only "one more bet" and you did end up winning the hand.

Poker sucks, lol.

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Never seen you before, so my sarcasm detector isn't calibrated to you, but if you're serious, this post sucks.

bozlax 12-18-2005 12:42 PM

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i fold the turn when MP3 raises after coldcalling preflop and two on the flop. he has a ten. i love folding overpairs.

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Hmmm...if not there, then definitely when MP2 caps preflop, raise/calls the flop and then calls/3-bets the turn. He's either got KK or he shouldn't be allow to use a computer (or scissors) unsupervised.

12-18-2005 02:18 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
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Then again, it was only "one more bet" and you did end up winning the hand.

Poker sucks, lol.

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Never seen you before, so my sarcasm detector isn't calibrated to you, but if you're serious, this post sucks.

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Sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

shant 12-18-2005 11:33 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
You put in 4BB too many here. Fold the turn to MP3's raise.

shant 12-18-2005 11:37 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
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Anyway, I did win this hand. They showed JJ and QJ.... WTF?

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I know you're not being results-oriented here, but I really would've just avoided posting these results. Everyone is now going to justify calling this down when basic hand reading would lead you to assume that one if not both players had you beat on the turn. You really ended up with the best possible hand combination for both players and that they decided to play their hands backwards. I think you still lost 4BB in this hand.

By the way, make a couple notes on these guys.

12-19-2005 03:39 AM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
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You put in 4BB too many here. Fold the turn to MP3's raise.

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Yupp one of those spots where you fold the best hand. Looking back at it, its a clear turn fold.

jakbse 12-19-2005 05:24 AM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
grunch
Funny post, I think yo played it right up until the river. On the turn there are so many possible hands that you are ahead of such as QQ, AKs, possibly AK or AQs and you have to call. On the river I think you can save some chips by folding at the very end, but ok, getting 21:1 and 25:1 I'd probably call asw

12-19-2005 11:18 AM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
:grunch: Yea it looks like you got caught behind someone with a K or even KK. You basically got trapped MP2 and MP3 and ended up putting in way too many bets.

I think you could have folded the first river bet when the second K showed up. You may even find a fold on the turn after MP3 raises or after MP2 limp/raises since their stats show that they are normally very passive.

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Anyway, I did win this hand. They showed JJ and QJ.... WTF?

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Wow. I'm with shant and hope that now ppl know the results they won't try to argue calling it down. I still think you should have folded on the turn after MP3 raised. Craziness. Definitely note and buddy list those guys.

imported_The Vibesman 12-19-2005 11:35 AM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
I'm usually folding to the first river bet, especially because MP2 is probably trying another checkraise, as he did on the turn.

@bsolute_luck 12-19-2005 02:35 PM

Re: Dammit. Gotta hate this
 
folding to MP3's bet on the turn is the crapiest suggestion i've ever heard. i'm more apt to 3-bet and be shown a lone K or AK than a Ten.


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