Lay Down a Full House?
 

This is from a hand that I played today, and I wanted to get some thoughts.

Background: This is a 0.50-1.00 Party table, and I just sat down - this is my first hand from BB. I was at the table for 4-5 hands before this, but there really wasn't much in the way of action to get a read.

Hand:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB ($49.50)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($48)
UTG+1 ($55.20)
MP1 ($43.70)
MP2 ($69.35)
MP3 ($51.95)
CO ($143.95)
Button ($48.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $2.15</font>, Button calls $2.15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $3.85, Button calls $3.85.

Turn: ($20.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, MP3 calls $45.45 (All-In), Button folds, Hero calls $31.50 (All-In).

River: ($109.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $109.20

You can all feel free to comment on any street, but in particular I am interested in comments on my all-in call on the turn.

I will post results and thought process (or lack thereof) after I get a couple of responses.

Thanks in advance for everyone's help.

Re: Lay Down a Full House?
 

What exactly is your question?

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I'm no expert, but the only hand your losing to is KK...and I ain't putting that guy on that hand. I don't think there was much of a decision on the turn...easy call

Oh...99 has you beat as well, but I ain't laying down this monster.

Re: Lay Down a Full House?
 

No way i am folding this! You should not be worried that your opponent has you beat, but you should try to get all your money in the middle when you get this turn.
Checkraising the flop is ok, but you need to raise more.
On the turn your opponent will show you an 8 quite often(a8 or 98 seems most likely). But given that you made this post i guess he had 99.

Re: Lay Down a Full House?
 

The question is basically - did I play this correctly? I'd be interested in comments on any street. In particular, I thought for a while about folding to the all-in bet on the turn, and wanted to get some opinions on that one.

Re: Lay Down a Full House?
 

In particular, I thought for a while about folding to the all-in bet on the turn, and wanted to get some opinions on that one.

That would have been horrible.

Dumle

Re: Lay Down a Full House?
 

Im getting a read on u, ure tight!

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This is one of the easiest calls I have seen posted this week

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This is one of the easiest calls I have seen posted this week

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Give me a link to an easier one. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

For me its absolutely the #1 easy call of the last weeks NL-posts of the one Ive readed...

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even though retards love to play k9o and the like... this is still an auto push/call.

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The full house call is easyer imo, but this one is a no-brainer call as well.

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c/r more on the flop or lead out yourself

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This is one of the easiest calls I have seen posted this week

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This is one of the easiest calls in the history of poker.

Re: Lay Down a Full House?
 

An interesting excercise would be to figure out what the villain has that prompted the OP to post this hand. My guess is 99.

Re: Lay Down a Full House?
 

You realize K9 is drawing to three outs when the money went in right?

Also donks is preferrable to your description of villian.

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He doesn't have KK, which is quite obvious. Calling 0.50 preflop in that position could (in this case) be 99 or 89o. Judging from his calling the c/r after the flop, he has 89o and ends up with nines over eights and has got you beat.

Re: Lay Down a Full House? - MY THOUGHTS
 

OK - I suppose it would be fair to say that everyone agrees with the call.

Here's my thought process, and why I didn't think it was automatic, focusing only on his possible holdings:

On the flop, he could certainly be bluffing, but it doesn't seem quite right - I would assume he would fold to a decent-sized CR if he had nothing. So, I think he has a decent hand. Here are the possibilities and my thoughts...

AK/KK - Not likely. He would probably have raised pre-flop.
KQ/KJ/KT - Definitely a possibility. I would consider these likely, in that he may think he's beaten, but wants to call to see the turn.
K9 - Possible. It's not a hand I would play there, but especiialy suited a lot of people will.
K8 - Probably not - I see a lot fewer people playing this hand.
99/88 - Definitely possible. He might have called to draw in the button and is planning a raise on the turn.
98 - Possible. Especially suited, I can see him playing this.

So, after the flop, I'm thinking he has KQ/KJ/KT/K9/99/98/88.

When the 8 hits on the turn, I'm obviously quite happy. I bet out, hoping to keep him somewhat interested in the hand, but get some cash in there.

His all-in raise on the turn really had me going, which is why I had such a tough time making the call. Going back to the earlier possibilities -

KQ/KJ/KT - I don't see this at all.
K9 - Maybe - this seems unlikely given that the board just paired - I would think he'd be a little more cautious - but I could see it.
99 - Maybe. I think he would have put in a smaller raise with this hand to keep me in, but I could see this, too.
98 - Certainly possible. I think this is pretty likely based on the way he has played so far.
88 - Not possible any more.

So, faced with these options, my thinking is that he most likely has 99 or 98. 98 I can beat, 99 I'm toast. The only problem is, I still didn't feel good about the hands I had him on - something just wasn't clicking for me. That's what made this a hard call for me.

So, can anyone offer any thoughts on this line of thinking? Am I way off, should I have thought of something else, etc.?

I'll post the results separately so people can comment on this before they see what he was actually holding.

Re: Lay Down a Full House? - RESULTS
 

OK - the final results.

MP3 turns over JT - a hand I had not even considered. He was semi-bluffing the flop and called my raise with an open-ended straight draw, then raised me all-in on the turn with a paired board. I won the hand and did the happy dance.

As I played more with the guy (I think we played for about 75 hands), it turns out he really liked raising, particularly all-in. He ended up losing a decent chunk of cash before leaving the table.

So, part of the reason that I've been vague on my reason for posting this is that I never considered his actual holding as a possibility, which bothers me. I'm trying to improve my game, particularly reading hands, and I wanted to get some advice from everyone else. Looking back, this was clearly a possibility, but my thinking is that this kind of play was a very remote chance, so I probably shouldn't be too worried.

Comments?

Re: Lay Down a Full House? - MY THOUGHTS
 

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So, faced with these options, my thinking is that he most likely has 99 or 98. 98 I can beat, 99 I'm toast.

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I am pretty tired atm and I've looked it up and down, but doesn't 89 beat you as well?

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I am pretty tired atm and I've looked it up and down, but doesn't 89 beat you as well?

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Not on the turn when he had to make a decision

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So, faced with these options, my thinking is that he most likely has 99 or 98. 98 I can beat, 99 I'm toast.

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I am pretty tired atm and I've looked it up and down, but doesn't 89 beat you as well?

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98 beats him on the river, but the round under consideration is the turn, when 98 has a lower two pair.