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Mercman572 12-17-2005 02:13 AM

Kings, Paired Board
 
Villain is 60/3/1.5 after 30 hands, so he's bad.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB ($96.60)
BB ($93.80)
UTG ($245.05)
MP ($352.99)
Hero ($110.62)
Button ($87.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($10.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $25</font>, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($60.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, BB calls $30.

River: ($120.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

How's my line? I figure I charge flush draws and get a good amount from a weaker overpair. I considered pushing the turn but I think I want to keep worse hands along at the wrong price. I considered checking but A high spade gets off cheap. I was planning on calling a push on a blank river

PoBoy321 12-17-2005 02:16 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
Fold to the flop 3-bet. It's unlikely that he has less than trips.

Mercman572 12-17-2005 02:29 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
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Fold to the flop 3-bet. It's unlikely that he has less than trips.

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I took it to be him overvaluing a PP since the board paired.
Guess it depends on how thoughtful you assume the opponent to be in this situation (i.e. my raising is a bluff since nobody bets a paired board with the goods, 2 me raising is not a bluff because of the flush draw, 3 the oppeonent thinking "he has overcards so I should bet", 4 I like my hand and don't care what the other guy has). 4 can be any kind of hand depending on the individual villain.

I don't know what percentage you could generalize that this is a PP vs this is the trips and I'd be interested to hear peoples oppinion on this for the 100NL level.
Had he led the turn I would have been very inclined to fold.

Mercman572 12-17-2005 07:02 PM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
Bump. If you agree with PoBoy, quote him. If you think the flop call is ok, I'd appreciate some more thoughts on the turn onward.

Godfather80 12-17-2005 07:07 PM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
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Fold to the flop 3-bet. It's unlikely that he has less than trips.

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According to the few numbers you have, Merc, this guy is NOT aggressive. When he leads then 3-bets on this board, you aren't going to be ahead often against a typical player.

aces_dad 12-17-2005 07:44 PM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
With those numbers I agree villian is not 3betting with a draw but rather a made hand on the flop. Folding to the 3 bet is reasonable.

On the turn he probably fears a flush himself and is holding some middle kicker 9. I don't think charging a naked A is necessary as I don't think it's that likely of a holding. He may have given you a free showdown.

cardsharkk04 12-18-2005 03:41 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
You guys seem to have a good read on the villain, but usually at 100NL this could easily be a smaller overpair. I don't mind checking when the flush card hits the turn and value betting the river if he checks again.

Isura 12-18-2005 03:48 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
I usually just call the flop here. Pretty drawless board, and we are way ahead to a smaller PP, and way behind 9x. I think the turn is spewing. Villain showed a lot of strength on the flop, I would want to get to the river and keep the pot smaller. You can valuebet the river if he checks again.

FreakDaddy 12-18-2005 04:06 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
When it's checked to me on the river here I value bet. Other than that it looks ok. I could nitpick and say bet slightly more on turn - I like $40.

FreakDaddy 12-18-2005 04:10 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
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I usually just call the flop here. Pretty drawless board, and we are way ahead to a smaller PP, and way behind 9x. I think the turn is spewing. Villain showed a lot of strength on the flop, I would want to get to the river and keep the pot smaller. You can valuebet the river if he checks again.

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Against this opponent, I like the flop raise. Also either villian outflopped us - unlikely, or we're ahead here most of the time. Tpyically with marginal hands, checking the turn is standard, but here you want to get some more money in against TT-QQ and other under pairs while you're a big favorite. Hand reading right?

FreakDaddy 12-18-2005 04:14 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
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Fold to the flop 3-bet. It's unlikely that he has less than trips.

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Against this opponent, I'm continuing. No, he hasn't been ultra aggresive yet, but people over value their over pairs (and even under pairs here) in my experience and they sloooowplay their trips at this level. Just the opposite at other levels.

boondockst 12-18-2005 07:50 AM

Re: Kings, Paired Board
 
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When it's checked to me on the river here I value bet. Other than that it looks ok. I could nitpick and say bet slightly more on turn - I like $40.

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However weak-tight it would be, I'd gladly check behind on the river here. We could easily be behind and could also be check-raised. Granted, a river check-raise is unlikely but definitely not impossible by 97s or with 77. Interested to see results...I dont see what min-3bets this flop..


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