Am I an idiot?
 

Seat 0: Sansrom ($155.20 in chips)
Seat 2: JamesO80 ($159.30 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 4: noobiecombo ($253.20 in chips)
Seat 8: sagge ($125.40 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO ($126.30 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to HERO: 3c
Dealt to HERO: 3s
noobiecombo : Post Blind ($1)
sagge : Post Blind ($2)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
HERO : Bet ($4)
Sansrom : Fold
JamesO80 : Call ($4)
noobiecombo : Call ($3)
sagge : Raise ($15)
HERO : Call ($13)
JamesO80 : Fold
noobiecombo : Fold
*** Flop *** : 10d Jh 3h
HERO : Bet ($30)
sagge : Raise ($60)
HERO : Raise ($79.30)
HERO : All In
sagge : Call ($48.40)
sagge : All In
*** Turn *** : [ 10d Jh 3h ] 5h
*** River *** : [ 10d Jh 3h 5h ] 2h
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $256.70 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 10d Jh 3h 5h 2h ]

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

Pre-flop call is marginal, but okay.

If you have a question about your postflop play, then the answer to your question is yes.

Edit: Oh yeah, don't post results.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

what should i have done then?

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what should i have done then?

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I don't understand your question.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

dont mini-raise pre-flop
dont call the re-raise so short stacked
dont sit short stacked, go play 100 NL
dont post bad beats

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

You said i was an idiot in my postflop play, what is a better line?

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as for don't sit shortstacked i just came off a hand that i lost, you suggest i reload right away?

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You said i was an idiot in my postflop play, what is a better line?

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No I didn't. I said you were an idiot if you are asking us how to avoid suckouts.

Your postflop play is ridiculously standard.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

also, what is wrong with min raising preflop? I'm looking for advice that I can use here. Enlighten me, don't just talk down to me. This is the first time i've posted a hand and you make me never want to do it again.

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as for don't sit shortstacked i just came off a hand that i lost, you suggest i reload right away?

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yeah man what if you get dealt AA right afterwards youd be like "damnit"

plus you get that "tilt factor" right after you lose a big pot

anyways, if you are really being serious w/this post...

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

yeah man, actually i was being serious. I'm here to learn.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

Some discussion about Miniraising Preflop.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

I'm trying to figure out if this was a suckout or I am doing something wrong from the get-go which would mean it wasn't a suckout. I guess the answer was that it was a suckout, thanks for being so helpful and kind. pffft

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

either make a decent raise or don't pf. Based on the stack sizes you need to be pretty sure ur stacking reraiser when u hit to call his bet pf.

Post flop the best way to save money is not to put a dime in and then fold on the river when he obviously hits his flush.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

yes. yes you are

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well thanks, the general opinion is that I suck. this is the most helpful forum in the world.

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I'm trying to figure out if this was a suckout or I am doing something wrong from the get-go which would mean it wasn't a suckout.

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From the get-go, I told you your PF call was marginal. Your min-raise PF, I don't personally like, but a few others disagree (not to mention, I thought you limped).

After the flop, you were a huge favorite. If you don't understand that this is a suckout, then you need to drastically revise your thought process regarding poker.

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thanks for being so helpful and kind. pffft

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No problem. Welcome to the forum.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

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well thanks, the general opinion is that I suck. this is the most helpful forum in the world.

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Is it that hard to get the strategic content from my post?

Unless you are just out sarcasming me, in that case well done sir.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

responding to the post, yes, yes you are an idiot.

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Unless you are just out sarcasming me

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Awesome.

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Is it that hard to get the strategic content from my post?

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Post flop the best way to save money is not to put a dime in and then fold on the river when he obviously hits his flush.

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LMAO

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

You guys just make me feel made fun of.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

Posters in this forum tend to be fairly brutal when dealing with standard questions.

Personally, I don't think I said anything in this thread that you should feel offended by, unless you honestly think you played the flop poorly.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

Well how do you play PP? Maybe that is a better question. Why is my minraise a leak? Give me some knowledge instead of just... you did it wrong.

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Well how do you play PP? Maybe that is a better question.

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Depends on table conditions:
In a tight game, I'd raise PF.
In an aggro game, I'd limp, and call a raise (depending on how big), or just fold.

Unfortunately, this question is incredibly general, and hard to answer.

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Why is my minraise a leak?

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What does a minraise accomplish? You don't knock out anybody, you open yourself up for a re-raise that you can't call, and you leave yourself in a bigger pot OOP with no hand (when you miss).

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Give me some knowledge

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I gave you plenty of knowledge, including a link to a thread about minraising.

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instead of just... you did it wrong.

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This leads me to believe that you didn't read anything that I wrote.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

sorry, missed the link. my bad. I know that I needed to hear a lot of this... I just felt like I wasn't getting sincere answers to my real question, but now I see it different.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

Ok, Im not gonna read the whole thread, but you are short stacked, flopped a set, and dont even say what villan had. THERE IS NOT STRATEGY IN THIS THREAD WHATSOEVER. This is an allin situation, standard variance, wtv. Totally useless, there is nothing to learn and nothing you can learn. What do you want us to say, fold flop? Thats ridiculous, and if you do, plzzzzz sit at my table.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

thanks for the info.

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And please stop being such a crybaby. It's just annoying.

Troll the forums more; you'll learn more.

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STFU. I'm learning, and you're just being a jerk.

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STFU. I'm learning, and you're just being a jerk.

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ask a stupid question...

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STFU. I'm learning, and you're just being a jerk.

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OK, since you seem to be taking this all quite seriously I will be entirely serious with you.

that you questioned your flop play in OP showed lack of basics knowledge of NL. your pf play was decently bad too but not HORRID. We gave you legit feedback on your preflop play.

People here are often sarcastic half because we're just joking and half because we don't like posts that don't have much strategic content to them (and maybe 20% because we're A-holes, (I'm not a math major)).

I can't speak for other posters but I would assume this is why you got the responses you did.

It bothers us that you waste time+forum space continuing to pursue our advice when we have already given you advice, you just need to use common sense.
Using logic you should be able to come up what 2+2 thinks is the correct play here based on our responses.

I honestly mean this entire post in the nicest possible way. I hope it is helpful to you in the future of ur 2+2 experience

Love,
Pokerjoker

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

It is the first hand I posted. Lighten up. I learned from it, no reason to tack on a "quit crying" when this post was helpful in furthering my ability. This isn't all about you and your precious forum space. It is about learning, and sharing ideas. Sorry I don't have much to offer you, because I'm a beginner. You offered me insight, and I took it with me. Mission accomplished, everybody get off my back.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

Making a min raise from EP with a pair of 3s makes no sense. Just limp in, call a raise that is 10% or less of the effective stacks, and play for a set on the flop.

The min raise was silly here, and it actually just worked to make the pot bigger so that the raise was more than 10% of your stack.

Anyway, the preflop raise was only just slightly more than 10%, so calling is bad but not catestrophic.

Once you flop your set, your job is to act in a way to get the most money in the pot as early as possible without letting possible draws be properly priced in to catch their outs. This board, for example, has a number of draws so betting/raising the flop is better than any kind of slow play.

BTW, if you ran into set over set, then reload and don't worry about it. Any other hand was behind you on the flop where you got all your money in and they'd have needed to get lucky (like 2 running hearts!).

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

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dont mini-raise pre-flop
dont call the re-raise so short stacked
dont sit short stacked, go play 100 NL
dont post bad beats

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Re: Am I an idiot?
 

This is the kind of post that is really helpful. I have been neglecting the 5-10 rule and that is going to stop now. Also the link to minraising was really helpful in solving some really big problems at the core of my game. Thanks.

Re: Am I an idiot?
 

Since you're new here, I'll give you a tip. Don't name a thread "Am I an idiot" and then post a bad beat. You won't get no for an answer.