Sanity check with sets, not that deep 5/10 NL
 

This is probably pretty standard, so let me know if this should be posted lower (or just move it).

5/10 NL, 9 handed
Hero ~1800
Villain ~6000
Villain has been running very well and he is plaing extremely loose and aggro. Few rounds ago he doubled up against another 300bb stack, when he kept chaisng one-card straight to the river and hit. Guy is by no means afraid to play big pots with very marginal hands. He is even looser PF.

I raise JJ UTG to 35, Villain calls in LP, BB calls.
Flop: K J T rainbow pot:110
Hero bets 90, villain raises to 270, BB folds, Hero calls
Turn is a brick. Pot is 650. I check, villain bets 350, I push.

Similar hand.
5/10 NL, 5 handed.
Hero ~1900, Villain covers.
I raise to 35 UTG+1 with KK, villain (solid and aggro player, who I tend to respect) raises to 100 in CO, folded around to me, I call.

Flop(pot:215): K J T, 2 diamonds, I have no diamonds.
I bet 180, he raises to 400 or so, I reraise to 700 (meant to be a pot-sized raise, but I somehow screwed it up). Villain pushes. I call.

Normally I'm more or less happy to get the money in in both spots, but I'm trying to figure out alternative lines in spots like this. Is this pretty much default play or am I missing something?

Re: Sanity check with sets, not that deep 5/10 NL
 

Hand 1 is fine. Reraising the flop is ok too.

Hand 2 is fine (if you make a proper reraise). He has JJ/TT/AA/QQ way more often than AQ. Is the K a diamond? Is this guy a tight reraiser, or will he do this preflop with weaker hands? If he's a tight reraiser, a turn card will rarely hurt you too much and you can call his weak flop raise and c/r push the turn.

Re: Sanity check with sets, not that deep 5/10 NL
 

Hand 1 I didn't reraise the flop, because I didn't want to blow the villain off the 1 pair type of hand. He is capable of getting in a lot of money in with something like 2 pairs there, but it would be harder to get more money out of him if I 3-bet the flop. Only thing I am worried about to give a free card is probably KQ.

Hand 2. A lot of scare cards can come on the turn that I am not sure how to deal with OOP. The guy is probably too tight to pay me off with less then a set if he sees a scare card. Hell, he might even let a set go if the flush hits. After I donk-3-bet the flop and he pushes, we can remove big draws from his range, because he was getting great odds to just call. But at that point I call even if he turns AQ face up.

It just feels to me that I play boards like this OOP in a way that helps me to avoid making tough decisions later in the hand, but probably sacrifices some value from weaker hands.

Re: Sanity check with sets, not that deep 5/10 NL
 

The problem with your line in hand 1 is that the turn c/r is a big bet for villain to call. Reraising the flop gets money in faster, and from how you describe him, he'll call with a Q. I'm not advocating a big reraise; maybe 625ish, since he sounds like a bad player and won't catch on to your devious tricks. This makes the turn a simple push for a little less than pot. I'd prefer your line if you had 1500 behind.

I\'m about to give up here...
 

Seriously, guys, what can I do to get some advice here or at least responses? Fsuplayer just posted a similar hand with more shallow stacks and in position and it already had 19 responses. Now I obviously realize that nobody owes me anything on this board, but it's quite frustrating to be ignored. I don't feel like spamming hands or bumping threads, so what do I do?

If I post a boring hand or there is something else wrong with my posts. people can let me know. I just don't understand what is the point of posting on a public forum if all the discussion is between 20 forum regulars and people they know and everything else goes unnoticed. I don't mean to whine, just trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with my posts (except my username), because it looks like forum does not think it's worthy of discussion.

Since I'm in Bay Area, should I just buy a beer for Daiblo and Flynn so they can bump my posts for me? =)

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

Im surprised either hand got that many responses, to me I go broke in both spots very quickly. I dont know the player in FSU's thread (Sonic) so maybe thats why everyone else is giving their 2 cents.

This one, I'm not sure what you're asking either hand - ie, thinking of folding? Getting money in the pot by means of adifferent way?

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

flynn doesnt live in bay area btw so that will be out of your way to buy him abeer

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

post one hand at a time and make them readable. use the little icons for the suits etc - posts that are hard on the eyes don't get read. this one is hard to read.

you can even redo this one and try again - just ask azk to delete this one.

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

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Seriously, guys, what can I do to get some advice here or at least responses? Fsuplayer just posted a similar hand with more shallow stacks and in position and it already had 19 responses.

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- your usernake is greypoo... normal ppl dont want to to interact w/ some1 who calls himself greypoo
- your hands are from a live 5/10 game that is most likely donked out w/ all horrible players
- in both of your hands any sane person would be totally thrilled to get allin on the flop... yaaawn
edit- im really tired and misread the screenname (sry!.... however i will leave my post for entertainment value.

Re: Sanity check with sets, not that deep 5/10 NL
 

Both hands, you'd like to get it in on flop.

Basically, the more donkish player is, the more i 3 bet flop rather than call and c/r turn. Also in hand one, villain can easily have a hand he cant let go of, KQ or whatever.

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

Nothing is wrong with your post except that it isn't as viewer friendly as a converted hand from online, but that shouldn't be making too much of a difference. I too wonder why your post isn't getting as much attention as the other one. Anyways

I think most people would go broke on each hand the same way. On the second hand I may have taken it a little slower and call the raise to see what the turn would bring, but your line works well too. If a brick comes out then I would definately get it all in on the turn. If a diamond peels off then you can check call anything reasonable. He may even give you a free card or a chance to bluff the river if he has AQ off. If a Q comes on the turn then you can get away from the hand if he pushes.

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

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flynn doesnt live in bay area btw so that will be out of your way to buy him abeer

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Why would he be so sad about capped betting in Lucky Chances then?

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

Ah, constructive criticism, that's great.

The reason I posted 2 hands is that they share the same theme - big hand on a broadway flop OOP in a raised pot. Obviously we are not looking for folding here. Sure, playing this as fast as possible might be default line here. What I was asking is if there is really any alternative lines, because flops like this could hit a lot of hands and I feel like I am letting them go too easy. Stack sizes make it pretty awkward to push, since it would be overbet big enough to drive pretty much every hand that is behind out of the pot. On the other hand, pot is getting big enough to make it really hard to get away from it, if the board becomes even uglier. So, on one hand, hands that are behind are folding on 4-straight board, on the other it's hard to not lose more money if opponent was indeed on a draw. Also, isn't reraising flops like this all in is somewhat transparent for an opponent? What other hands would play it like that? What hands will call us here? In other words, I'm struggling with a thought that this default line is making it too easy for opponent to make a correct play, but I can't find anything better...

Maybe the alternative is to raise enough to kill implied odds for draws with intention of getting all in no matter what comes on later streets. Or maybe I'm overthinking this and 200 bb stack is not really different from 100 bb stack here.

I don't really mind getting it all in on the flop in 2nd hand, since there is flush draw on the flop nad it is short-handed. In the 1st hand, however, I don't believe I am getting called by anything I'm beating, except TT, at least in 9 handed game, unless opponent is super-donk or we have some wild history against each other.

Btw, this was online. Too bad I failed to mention it, but in general all hands posted here are online, if it is live, poster usually specifically states so. The site is not converter friendly, and I posted hands by memory. It's been a while since I played them, so I didn't remember the suits, so sorry about that. I think in live games hands like this are easier to play, because one should be able to have a better idea about where is opponent at on later streets.

Anyways, thanks for the replies, guys.

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

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flynn doesnt live in bay area btw so that will be out of your way to buy him abeer

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Why would he be so sad about capped betting in Lucky Chances then?

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hes an emotional guy, I guess.

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

Goo,

You flopped sets and the money went in. Maybe you lost the hands. Whatever. Post some interesting hands instead of whining like a little bitch when you don't get 50 responses to your boring hands.

edge responded to you very quickly. What more do you want? If you have more specific questions, respond back and post them instead of your little whine/bump post. If you don't like the level of response to your thread, either quit posting or post more interesting hands and contribute in other threads. If you turn out to be someone who posts decent stuff, people will read your posts and you'll get responses. Acting like a little whiny bitch does nothing to help your cause, though.

Re: I\'m about to give up here...
 

Whoa, man. Who took the jam out of your donut? If you don't like beer, just say so. No need to bite my head off. =)

I didn't mean to whine. I posted the honest question and general attitude in replies was great, which I appreciate a lot. Also I don't understand why would you bring up results, especially considering that specific question I was asking is "is blasting the pot as hard as possible is a great way to get money out of hands that are behind, considering stack sizes." (Talking about replying back with specific question, btw.)

But thanks for your input anyway.

Edit: if this thread is not really worthy of discussion in regard of actual hands, let's just stop bumping it and let it pass away.