AK ragged board
 

PF I knew I had BB beaten. He was pretty loose raiser. CO is the problem here. He will call to river with any pair. On flop I am fairly sure I have BB beaten and tried to maybe push him off or 'valueraise'. After CO calls I am sure that he has a pair too. What do I do on turn? Any help appreciated!

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero ?

Re: AK ragged board
 

grunch

i'd raise the turn, and fold if reraised.

i'd check the river unimproved and probably fold to a bet.

(does everyone cap with AKo? i'd normally just call here)

Re: AK ragged board
 

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grunch

i'd raise the turn, and fold if reraised.

i'd check the river unimproved and probably fold to a bet.

(does everyone cap with AKo? i'd normally just call here)

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I would have called if the player that 3-bet wasn't loose raiser.
edit: it really depends on the situation I think [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: AK ragged board
 

I cap with AKo unless I'm against someone who only raises with AA or KK...which is never.

I'd go ahead and bet that turn card and thats probably the last cent I'd put in that pot.

I'm a fan of betting the turn and checking the river for a showdown if you can get it though.

Advantages:
-you maintain the betting lead
-you don't give any free cards
-it costs the same as checking the turn and calling the river
-with position, you can show down your A high hands as cheaply as possible
-you defend against river check-raises.

Disadvantages:
-in betting the turn, you'll get check-raised some of the time, but you should be able to fold if this happens.

Re: AK ragged board
 

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Advantages:
-you maintain the betting lead


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Why is this and advantage?

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-you don't give any free cards


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this one is kind of iffy. I think that this is more of a concern when there's actually a chance we already have the best hand. That is not the case here.

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-it costs the same as checking the turn and calling the river


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We should not be calling a river bet UI anyways, so this is irrelevant

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-with position, you can show down your A high hands as cheaply as possible


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I don't think we should be looking to show down here UI

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-you defend against river check-raises.


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this seems illogical, but I can't describe why.

I am checking this turn.

Re: AK ragged board
 

take away the CO calling and make the hand HU and the advantages and disadvantages apply.

with two callers i can see checking here and hoping to spike and A or K.

Re: AK ragged board
 

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take away the CO calling and make the hand HU and the advantages and disadvantages apply.

with two callers i can see checking here and hoping to spike and A or K.

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Yes, HU this is an easy bet turn/check behind scenario.

Re: AK ragged board
 

i have this habit of retardedly posting things that aren't applicable to the hand in question...so my list was just my thoughts on a HU situation.

Which doesn't really apply to this hand.

I've gotta stop doing that...

Re: AK ragged board
 

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i have this habit of retardedly posting things that aren't applicable to the hand in question...so my list was just my thoughts on a HU situation.

Which doesn't really apply to this hand.

I've gotta stop doing that...

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If it makes you feel any better they are very good thoughts HU [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: AK ragged board
 

I think you should check, since:
-To me it looks as if CO could be on a draw, if he checks through you can be pretty sure he is.
-I don't think you will fold them both with a bet, and you don't have a hand worth protecting.

If CO bets, assume that you are behind, I give you 4 outs here (the hearts have to be discounted), which makes a call very marginal but ok.

And yes, c/f river UI

Re: AK ragged board
 

I don't understand the discussion here. You're going against two opponents (both of whom have shown a reasonable amount of strength pre and post flop i.e. the 3 betting and leading out from the blind along with the cutoff cold callling) on a coordinated board. Too many times CO will have TT/JJ or Ace rag with the rag paired and i don't even want to consider the hand range of the blind. You have two reasonable outs (the two non-heart kings). K of hearts and an ace is dubious cards. Pre-flop you had reasonable winning chances - those are now gone. No need to spew.

Re: AK ragged board
 

I'm not real dubious about our A or K outs. I think 4 outs is a good estimate here.

Re: AK ragged board
 

i really don't get your question.
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He will call to river with any pair

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After CO calls I am sure that he has a pair too

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Re: AK ragged board
 

Fine...four outs still isn't worth a bet. And i'm cringing while i call the rivered ace of hearts.

Re: AK ragged board
 

check and then reevaluate after. It looks like you have odds to peel one off...but being raised or check raised here sucks

Re: AK ragged board
 

Here is the rest how I played:
Turn: (9.20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls.

River: (12.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB
Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Js Kh (one pair, fives).
Hero has As Kd (one pair, fives).
CO has 3s 3d (two pair, fives and threes).
Outcome: CO wins 12.20 BB. </font>
I got this grinn when I saw CO's hand. Do you get it too [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Re: AK ragged board
 

Given your reads, the turn seems a pretty easy check.