QQ, strange action
 

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (17.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (13.00 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (16.00 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 18.00 BB.

The turn donk bet by SB really threw me off here. I wasn't about to let this one go, but should I have gotten in another raise or two?

BTW, UTG+1 is clearly a nut, but SB hadn't done anything too strange yet.

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this hand is really odd. I play the same because I'm just baffled.

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Yeah, donk on the turn after a 3-bet flop is pretty weird. If donk-boy is really dumb he could have a flush draw or top pair. Could have an over-pair(TT, and JJ fit the action). I think I'd raise turn to see what happens. Hell, I really don't know what these guys could have. My head is spinning. I'd like to see the results later.

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I'd probably raise the turn. It doesn't look like you're beat here. A S&amp;G is more often a weak hand, in this case JJ,TT or 9x, a lot more then it's a very strong hand, like 98, 88. Most players would go for the cr with that kind of hand after the flop action.

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utg+1 is clearly mentally unhelathy person. i think thats his advantage.

I'd put him on A9 or A4 suited or set of fours. But would he reraise preflop with it?

Please tell me the outcome.

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Since I'm pretty much positive that raising the turn would have, in retrospect, been the correct play, I'll go ahead and post results in white.

<font color="white">UTG+1 had AK, no diamond. WTF indeed.</font>

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grunch
I'd guess SB was semi-bluffing with a flush draw, probably one with outs to overpair worth to protect. When he missed he could beat only a bluff and decided to fold the river. I think UTG had either a lower PP than yours or AK. The reason for saying is that I would expect him to cap the flop or raise the turn with a higher PP.
Given that I think you should have raised the turn.

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I think it would have been better if you had stopped the action when it got to you on the turn.

When determining what SB's donk bet might mean, it's hard not to be influenced by the fact that he checkfolded a river blank.

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I find that a turn raise is appropriate for weird spots like this. You are ahead an overwhelming majority of the time. Most ppl will craise there with 2 pr or a set. The stop and go is usually an indication of a draw that just became a bigger draw or nothing that has a reasonable chance of being the best hand if it improves (the AK for instance). My first thought for SB was flopped flush draw and just got openended str8 draw on turn (i.e. JT diamonds) Raise that turn everytime. Discount the guy between you.

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*grunch* I hate to overplay pairs but maybe raise the turn? UTG+1 only calls the flop so I think your hand is far superior. What comes to sb he could have TT or JJ. Flush draw is highly possible also given the river action (ofcourse you didn't know this during the hand [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). UTG+1 probably has a pair with ace kicker or something similar.

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Since I'm pretty much positive that raising the turn would have, in retrospect, been the correct play, I'll go ahead and post results in white.

UTG+1 had AK, no diamond. WTF indeed.

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Come to think of it. I saw two players tonight that relentlesly donked raisers w/AK UI post-flop. Is this something Hellmuth advocates in one of his terrible books or something? Looks like a new trend. lol

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Since I'm pretty much positive that raising the turn would have, in retrospect, been the correct play, I'll go ahead and post results in white.

UTG+1 had AK, no diamond. WTF indeed.

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Come to think of it. I saw two players tonight that relentlesly donked raisers w/AK UI post-flop. Is this something Hellmuth advocates in one of his terrible books or something? Looks like a new trend. lol

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I've seen this too! It must be a new trend [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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people who play AK like this retard watch too much WSOP. enjoy having them at your table. they overvalue everything.

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Grunch:

I'm raising the turn here. WNR* (with no reads - which I think we need to make a new acronym), its hard to define a range of holdings here, but you are ahead of anything except a set or AA-KK. However, there is a flush &amp; str8 draw which could be in either of their potential holdings range.

With the 4 on the riv, I probably call the maniac's bet, but if I felt confident that I wasn't going to see A5 or 65?, then I raise here and call a 3 bet.

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:grunch:

Really wierd hand. I think I would have raised on the turn, just to see what's up. I feel like SB has TPHK or turned an OESD.

I would call UTG+1's river donk just b/c I don't believe he hit his wheel. He might have spiked two pair, but I'm not folding with this large of a pot.

EDIT: I would write on note on the player and then isolate and punish relentlessly to the point of being a maniac.

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grunch

why aren't you popping this turn with your reads? I think the donk bet by SB could be to prevent a free card to UI overs or a fd. The only reasonable hand that is beating you is 99 (other than KK and AA) and I am not giving SB credit for that just yet. Though some sort of a real read would help.