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K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

Reads:

BB is a total fish, who is getting looser and more aggressive as he goes on tilt. he claims to play 40/80 and 100/200, so this chip dumping exercise was "leakage". That said, he wasn't playing well postflop either. 60/36/3 over 111 hands.

CO is a twerp who had made very little moves at the table, he certainly hadn't shown down any winners despite going to showdown fairly frequently. His aggression was notably higher than most twerps. Basically 40/8/2.5 over 60 hands or so.

Button is a suuuuuuper fish. He has got sh*t for brains and nothing in his guts because he can't afford to eat after all the money he loses at poker chasing cards and raising with weird hands. 53/1.5/0.8 over 63 hands.

I was suitably uncomfortable this hand. Can you help me? comments on all streets except PF where i think i pwned.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, CO 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, CO caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero calls, CO 3-bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 29 BB
Feck me that's a big pot.

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

What a pot.
Well, your flop checkraise didn't really work, did it? At least your turn 3bet checkraise got someone out. I think the key here is, what is the CO aggressive with? I mean, does he go nutso with ANY piece of the board or draw?

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

speeeeeewwwwwwww

your uber gutless fish button comes alive in this hand...if I dont dump it on the flop when it comes back to me for 2 more, then I definitely get rid of it on the turn.

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

yeah. this isn't pretty.

it's possible you have 0 outs here.

a 9 gives a straight for someone with a T.
a T gives a higher straight for someone with an A.

I know they're pretty crazy, but are they really all going this nutso with AQ or K8 or other hands that you actually beat?

even getting 10 to 1 I can't see how you can call this river.
And I certainly can't see calling 2 more cold after that.

But your reads on them were super-fishy so perhaps they really are inclined to bully like this while holding Q4 or something.
But if it really is going to be +EV then it barely makes it there (and I don't think it does) and against these guys I would have to think there are better times to pick your battles and that it's not necessary to go to war in this one 'just in case' you actually were to have the best hand.

It almost looks like the crazy, fishy action of the previous hands helped you to get carried-away in this one (believe me, I am VERY familiar with that)

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

Real tough hand, Button doesn't raise much so no preflop action makes sense.

Co is aggressive, but his high AF is over a small sample size as is buttons.

When its two back to you on the flop and you have well probably 0 outs i think you may need to drop it.

Although it feels weak vs these villans, i just don't know how comfortable i am playing this hand from there onwards and that would affect my play for the worse.

I'd prob miss value bets due to fearing losing the huge pot and lose big other times.

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

Fold the flop when it's 2 back to you.

Your turn 3-bet might make the highlights as 'the worst 2+2 play of the week'.

When someone leads into 3 people on the turn, including a flop capper, you can be pretty sure he's strong and not making a move.

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

How could you ever think you're good on this flop, or at least good by the showdown?

Thanks for the replies folks, by the time the turn action came in my brain was just like "you're a tosser. wtf are you doing, pete, you're a frigging fish".

Results in white:
 Superfish button shows Kh3h for the top pair no kicker. what a flop to cap.

CO shows QJ for the slightly unlucky river suckout by me - MHIG and i rake in a 29BB pot showing there's no justice in the world.

In my defence, I ignored button's play totally as he was a tool. it was CO that scared the living hell out of me, but i hoped that villain wasn't capping the turn with a T, so when i spiked kings up i felt it mas good 1 in 14 times.

I didnt expect to see AT in CO's hand as that would be an openraise. I was surprised to see QJ wasn't.

So there you go. Pete the fishy fish.

That is absolutely freaking insane.

NH!!

WHAT.
THE.
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please pm me villians screennames, i want to see if i recognize them

you mean "well worst play of the weak" [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] EDIT: that was meant to say 'week' but i like it as it is [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

crazy man. I would have puked over my keyboard seeing that SD if i'd have folded the turn.

you got 13:2 7:1 if you include rake or so.

Worst call ever?

2 k's,
3 9's

Say you have T out too. Man thats so marginal.

If i was CO i'd be so bugged!

$116 pot right?

Im sure you didn't think you we're ahead of CO then did you?

preflop
Would you have called if CO raised his QJ(button calls, hes got an awesome hand [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]) 4:1.5 or so i believe?

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

i think folding to the turn for two bets seems like a smart idea

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Would you have called if CO raised his QJ(button calls, hes got an awesome hand ) 4:1.5 or so i believe?

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so i was considering this while waiting for responses out earlier. If Button cold calls, and i can trust BB to call and not 3-bet i'm getting 6.5SB for 1.5SB more, which is better than 4-1. So, well, i'd call there. But given that button may not coldcall K3s, and BB is pretty laggy at the moment i'd have mucked.

Hehehhe

EDIT: as for the turn 3bet, i heard Ed Miller in my head saying "the pot is big. you want to win it now" and hit raise before my voice said "but you're f**ked and your outs suck". So...yeah. worst turn play ever.

Well the 4s were good too, no?

Mack

sheeyat, i'd been happier seeing a 4.

eh, the 4's chop, so the 9 was really the money card.

When things get wacky at a table, I wait until I have a better hand. I think you'll lose a lot of money playing this way against wild opponents. At wild tables I generally make huge profits in the form of 1 or 2 big hands an hour where my big hands get paid, and try to keep pots small or just get out of the way the rest of the time.

yeah i went nuts this hand. It was the only one that went mad like that when i was in. glad to come out alive.

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

I like the flop check-raise, but even given your reads, I fold when it's two back to me on the flop.

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

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I know they're pretty crazy, but are they really all going this nutso with AQ or K8 or other hands that you actually beat?

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Hey, I was pretty darned close.
( of course, I didn't really think I was right....but I wanted to brag anyway)

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

I fold the turn. Given that you didn't, I fold the river. You may have won this hand, but I think you make some pretty big mistakes on both the turn and river.

Re: K9 in SB, crazyhuge pot that made me nauseatingly uncomfortable.

yeah i think this highlights those "win the battle but lose the war" situations.

Next time i fold the turn when it's 2 bets back.